jamo was finished 2 years ago - blind loyalty with a new contract kept him there by swan and sticks just before the latter 2 left

Who did you have in mind to replace him over the past 2 years?

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How about the next 2 years?

Exactly

I hear the same crap about Rowe, Casboult etc without any mention of replacements.

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Swans cross field play is a cut above most teams. From the half back line they look to move it from the left flank to midfield, and then to the right inner wing (usually not too wide on the wing).

As in they go to the fat side before they attack the forward 50 metre arc. If you can cut off their kick into the midfield area (where their play opens up) you have some show...make them go down the line to a contest. Carlton did reasonably well with this same field play a few times vs Tigers.

If Carlton has the intensity of the 1st quarter they can put some pressure on them at least. With intensity you can force mistakes. Intensity is the only option. Swarming tackles..no easy supply into their forward line.


Collingwood wouldn't man up their opposition when without the ball, Swans would. That was the main difference.

Actually he's 26 and a couple of weeks, regardless of your opinion on how old he is. If you can't get the most basic of facts straight, your opinion lacks cred. Sorry.

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Who was the other one?

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Sounds easy!
They have the best overall midfield run in the comp, I reckon and it's getting better and younger with the kids from last year's academy.

Longmire must have thought it was Christmas when they appointed him.

We let them get out the back in the NAB. If we can stop that it will show me we have at least learned something and that Bolts is a thinker. If they just do it again I will be disappointed.

They will finish top six if not top four. Any team with Franklin in it is always a chance.

SCG 155m x 136m,
Etihad 159m x 128m

Not much difference. The Swans game should work equally. If you use the corridor, which they do, the lack of wings doesn't matter except that the defensive zone is a little denser.

Changes?

I was disappointed in Buckley's game but they gave him a big plus on the radio for his defensive work. (Dermie and Bolts interview). Maybe he'll get another week. Personally I'd let Thomas have a week in the twos as a punishment for stupidity and see if Buckley plays better.

White out? I thought he did reasonably last week and Sydney is tall up front. Maybe they will leave him in. If Byrne is going to get a run it should be interesting to see who goes.

Everitt will play. He had a couple of clangers last week but is a proven goalkicker in a team bereft of goalkickers.

Phillips may be at risk even though he payed OK last week. Our rucks were beaten on the day by whom? Richmond's second and third stringers. We know Casboult can hold his own as a relief ruckman and maybe Bolts will opt for Gorringe as a tall forward/ruck.

IMO it is unlikely we will see wholesale changes. Bolts is a teacher, team-oriented and a people person and I can't see him knee jerking after what was a pretty reasonable team showing last week. Lots of players get the yips in the first run of the year. If he wants to reward Byrne for a great attitude and game in the twos, maybe for White.

I am hoping for a 4 quarter effort. A win would be an unexpected bonus.

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Agree - Jammo is done....and sadly, so is Simmo. The game has passed these guy by.

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Actually he's 26 and a couple of weeks, regardless of your opinion on how old he is. If you can't get the most basic of facts straight, your opinion lacks cred. Sorry.[/quote]

Apologies if I got his age wrong by a few months. Regardless pls tell me your views as to whether you think he will develop any further to the player you see today? I'm interested to know, and if yes where do you think he will develop? Right now is a critical period for our footy club and he is not what we need moving forward.

I don't think Jamo is as finished as people are claiming. He's solid, but unspectacular. Still better than Rowe and still hard to replace given our lack of depth in key defensive positions (particularly if Jaksch continues to play forward)

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He just turned 26. You got it wrong by almost a full year.

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Are we seriously arguing about 26 versus 27 as a question of credibility?

Guys. Come on.

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Casboult is our MOST defensive forward, he didn't allow Rance to just pick off our entries which allowed us time to set up our zone and stop the ball going coast to coast as has been the Carlton way for a decade now. Tell me who you think can mark or at least give a 50/50 contest this year? We have plenty of quality to replace him in a couple years in Curnow, Mackay, SOS but right now it's about letting them learn their craft in the magoos and giving them a taste in the big league when form warrants it.

Whilst I think Sydney will be far too good for us, Collingwood's set ups and structures and effort the other night was pitiful - Swans won't have it as easy as they did. The lack of structure or even slight pressure was non existent by Collingwood for any stoppage especially in Sydney's 50.

Collingwood have recruited 3 million one way running mids with poor foot skills. But that discussion is for another thread.

Don't think simmo is past it. Highest disposal getter on Thursday and loved his pounce and pick up in the middle in the last quarter. I know his kicking may struggle but still has a role to play. I thought jamo did OK but I do miss that brief moment about 5 years ago when he was an intercept mark and rebound rather than a spoiler. White panicked a bit on Thursday - not sure about him this week.

unfortunately, we are going to have to trade a high draft pick for a key defender 24 year old to support weiters...it wasnt my fault henderson saw what was going on a carlton and went to geelong.

So your blaming Sticks and Swann for giving a contract to a key defender when there is no one to take his place. Is that your complaint?

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given that you have asked the question - yes..in part ...henderson left under the new Pres and ceo - we had no recruitment, development and list management under the sticks swan bear regime - jamisons should have only got 1 year at the time - we are still being punished for the key position mitchell McCarthy and Watson recruitment and development failures - and hendo leaving as well...
thats why we need to trade a 1st round for a 24 year old A grade key defender - if we can get one