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Historically speaking, which I like to do:

http://www.blueseum.org/Round+15%2C+2013

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this game represented a number of losses in a row, albeit only a month or so earlier we were sitting in 6th:

http://www.blueseum.org/Round+10%2C+2013

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 04, 2016 2:27 pm 
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The Blueseum wrote:
Historically speaking, which I like to do:

http://www.blueseum.org/Round+15%2C+2013

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this game represented a number of losses in a row, albeit only a month or so earlier we were sitting in 6th:

http://www.blueseum.org/Round+10%2C+2013

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What those two team sheets highlight is the incredible list turnover in only a handful of years. I (very roughly) counted 15 players across the 2 teams that aren't at Carlton anymore.


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Sydney Blue wrote:
She is right to a certain extent it was an missed opportunity to give fans hope.
But it will all be forgotten if we win round 1


ive said this elsewhere, but we simply cant afford to miss opportunities like this when we get them, and I believe the AFL gave us the bombers at home with the expectation that we would use it to deal with our somewhat mournful finances. We didnt capitalise on this in any way on the day, expecially when you consider the stuff on hand for the fans at Kardinia Park last friday.

it was only last year that we borrowed money from the league because we ran out of cash before the season started, and it was just 4 months ago that Trigg was begging the clubs millionaires for money because we'd maxed out our AFL loan and werent far off handing the keys back to the league. You cannot ignore the financial side of a professional club, any more than you can the player development side.

We needed better planning, and frankly we need better club management.

By playing the team we did, playing the way we did and being complacent in our match day arrangements we squandered a golden opportunity. We didnt so much look a gift horse in the mouth as shot it dead and danced on its corpse.

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The_Wookie wrote:
Sydney Blue wrote:
She is right to a certain extent it was an missed opportunity to give fans hope.
But it will all be forgotten if we win round 1


ive said this elsewhere, but we simply cant afford to miss opportunities like this when we get them, and I believe the AFL gave us the bombers at home with the expectation that we would use it to deal with our somewhat mournful finances. We didnt capitalise on this in any way on the day, expecially when you consider the stuff on hand for the fans at Kardinia Park last friday.

it was only last year that we borrowed money from the league because we ran out of cash before the season started, and it was just 4 months ago that Trigg was begging the clubs millionaires for money because we'd maxed out our AFL loan and werent far off handing the keys back to the league. You cannot ignore the financial side of a professional club, any more than you can the player development side.

We needed better planning, and frankly we need better club management.

By playing the team we did, playing the way we did and being complacent in our match day arrangements we squandered a golden opportunity. We didnt so much look a gift horse in the mouth as shot it dead and danced on its corpse.


Wookie I normally love your work but you're talking though you bunghole.

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cimm1979 wrote:

Wookie I normally love your work but you're talking though you bunghole.


Theres a bigger picture than just football development. I happen to give a crap about that. And i dont give a crap if you agree with me or approve of my work. If you cant see the bigger picture, then you have no idea what most of my work is about in the first place.

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The_Wookie wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:

Wookie I normally love your work but you're talking though you bunghole.


Theres a bigger picture than just football development. I happen to give a crap about that. And i dont give a crap if you agree with me or approve of my work. If you cant see the bigger picture, then you have no idea what most of my work is about in the first place.


Am looking at the bigger picture - stable membership comes through playing finals, not winning NAB. Bolts is using the NAB to have a better real season. He's said that.

Hypothetical - Let's say we did well in the NAB and got a short but sharp rise in membership. What would happen if we then had a poor start to the AFL season?


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Worked well when we won Wizard ;)

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 7:33 am 
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The Exorcist wrote:

Am looking at the bigger picture - stable membership comes through playing finals, not winning NAB. Bolts is using the NAB to have a better real season. He's said that.

Hypothetical - Let's say we did well in the NAB and got a short but sharp rise in membership. What would happen if we then had a poor start to the AFL season?


what happens if we have a poor start to the season anyway? No one is seriously expecting us to do much this season.

And what happens when we dont have the funds to even get through the start of the season as happened just last year? We literally ran out of operating cash. The fact remains that the entire day was many elements of fail. Wins arent everything, but gettuing absolutely trounced by a half strength Essendon* isnt ideal for the clubs marketing to potential members and sponsors - and we need both.

Lets be clear here, Im not advocating that selection should have been interfered with by management. Im saying that the entire match and the day around it needed to be better planned in advance - players could have been rested in week 1 and 4, instead of our only game at Princes Park this year. The club isnt trying to get the hardcore members, its trying to excite the ones on the periphery, and the day was a chance to excite the long suffering fans, and in that it failed miserably, unless you ardently follow our draft prospects. People on forums have never been the majority of fans.

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The_Wookie wrote:
The Exorcist wrote:

Am looking at the bigger picture - stable membership comes through playing finals, not winning NAB. Bolts is using the NAB to have a better real season. He's said that.

Hypothetical - Let's say we did well in the NAB and got a short but sharp rise in membership. What would happen if we then had a poor start to the AFL season?


what happens if we have a poor start to the season anyway? No one is seriously expecting us to do much this season.

And what happens when we dont have the funds to even get through the start of the season as happened just last year? We literally ran out of operating cash. The fact remains that the entire day was many elements of fail. Wins arent everything, but gettuing absolutely trounced by a half strength Essendon** isnt ideal for the clubs marketing to potential members and sponsors - and we need both.

Lets be clear here, Im not advocating that selection should have been interfered with by management. Im saying that the entire match and the day around it needed to be better planned in advance - players could have been rested in week 1 and 4, instead of our only game at Princes Park this year. The club isnt trying to get the hardcore members, its trying to excite the ones on the periphery, and the day was a chance to excite the long suffering fans, and in that it failed miserably, unless you ardently follow our draft prospects. People on forums have never been the majority of fans.


They could have had an experimental development game against the scum at some obscure country football ground somewhere. Why use the 'Princes Park Homecoming' game and all of the associated 'halcyon' marketing then put out a non-competitive side. I agree that Rd 1 is more important but why then build the game up to be some kind of Glory Days marketing stunt. Let Bolton and his crew do whatever they want just dont bill it as something it aint, your customers wont keep going to the well if you keep letting them down. I've no problem with the team using the NAB cup as an experiment/development, I have a problem with using the home ground and halcyon days marketing.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 8:31 am 
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Who the @#$%&! cares. It's the nab challenge, there is not even a prize at the end of it. i haven't even seen a minute of any game thus far.

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bluechucky wrote:
Who the @#$%&! cares. It's the nab challenge, there is not even a prize at the end of it. i haven't even seen a minute of any game thus far.


Wookie's Carlton only highlights package is worth a look.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 9:08 am 
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Well argued Wookie we are the rusted on in here
That game was a golden chance for us to shine and reach out to those on the periphery
A belting from Bummers signalled another long hard season and why would a potential member jump on on that basis
Not that it means much but before that game punters thought bummers would be wooden spooners whilst after the game a flood of money came for us to win it if that is indicative of the view of that match that means we lost a chance with would be members


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almost forgotten about this game already...


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:19 am 
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All will be forgotten IF we beat the Tigers in round 1, BB will be applauded for his strategy during the NAB games. If however we lose to cheats during the H&A like we did we will have to redevelop Ikon park because the place will be burnt down.

We still have the early rounds to showcase some improvement to get the spike in membership.

Plenty of "ifs" however there is still plenty to play out, not all is lost YET.


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Best not get hopes up for a R1 win either...


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 06, 2016 10:37 am 
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I agree with Wookie the approach and planning to the game at Princes Park, was very half hearted.
It's as if the club wanted to show solidarity to Bolton plan going forward, but
somehow reap the marketing benefits too.
Membership, its revenue is essential, without it we would not exist , a very competitive display at our beloved Pricences Park would have been far more desirable.

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It's reall funny sitting here reading some of this debate.
Before the game when we announced the squad and hence our process towards these practise games, I was 100% behind the idea of playing a younger side against the druggies. Mind you I still am and have no issue with it, although I understand fully what the wookie and others are relating.
I feel the execution on the day by the team let us down. If we had lost by a few goals and made it a closer contest we wouldn't be discussing this. So what happens if we beat Sydney with a full squad this week or even if Sydney belts us? I actually feel for momentum going into round1, this week is bigger than last week!


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Realistically, any win this season is a bonus.

I'm not expecting any automatic wins given it's year 1 of a rebuild.

Just look for green shoots


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Back in 2005 we belted Sydney by 15 goals in a NAB cup game and Steven Kenna ran amock, a few week later Pagan got his contract extended.

I've just come out of Katz Deli polishing off a Matso Ball Soup and a giant Pastrami on Rye.


I'll have what Brenden Bolton is having.


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