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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:30 am 
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Think we're going to need Walker playing full forward all the time. We don't have many scoring options other than him.

McKay and SOSOS and Curnow have showed some nice leading patterns etc but they're still young and probably not ready for consistent senior footy.

Walker is probably our only senior forward who leads and capable of consistently having scoreboard impact.

Although Dre was good last year but he hasn't played forward much at all so far this year.


Very promising signs from the three draftees. The three of them may work out all be excellent choices in a couple of years time. Along with Weitering and Cripps and possibly this year's number 1 pick and maybe another top ten pick also, the foundation will be taking place nicely.


It is a very nice feeling knowing we have definite guns in Cripps and Weitering with Curnow Mckay and others serious contenders. Been a long time since we had players opposition supporters could single out as genuine stars of the future.

Even Doc is still under 50 games.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:39 am 
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I was really disappointed for Whiley. This was a huge opportunity for him to make a claim for round 1. He was our in and under mid for the day but he couldn't get anything going and the longer the game went the more he struggled.

I thought Graham took his opportunity and is a lock for round 1.

Lots of comments on our forward line lacking structure which I agree with but I will be interested to see how we go against the Swans with a much stronger midfield. Everitt, Walker and Casboult need to be played forward this year and I would even use Gibbs as a forward at times too.

I like the call on Mckay being in the team instead of Jones. Mckay isn't ready but we have very few options. What's the story with Foster?

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:20 am 
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I just get so upset when i see their junkie hands on our Jack.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:29 am 
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One non-Carlton point that annoyed me was the umpiring on the weekend (not just our game)- a few instances of people on the ground, essentially launching themselves in to people's knees or bodies, to successfully draw a free. Nothing the standing player can do about it.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 9:34 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
"Instincts are inborn complex patterns of behavior that exist in most members of the species, and should be distinguished from reflexes, which are simple responses of an organism to a specific stimulus, such as the contraction of the pupil in response to bright light or the spasmodic movement of the lower leg when the knee is tapped. The absence of volitional capacity must not be confused with an inability to modify fixed action patterns. For example, people may be able to modify a stimulated fixed action pattern by consciously recognizing the point of its activation and simply stop doing it, whereas animals without a sufficiently strong volitional capacity may not be able to disengage from their fixed action patterns, once activated.[1]"
I don't think you can teach instinct. The very definition of it precludes that. I think reflexes can be improved upon and learned but instinct is inherited, not learned.

The day any one on here is actually referring to primal instinct, feel free to correct my comment as though it were a literal comment on evolutionary neurophysiology and how it relates to football. :lol:

I'm obviously referring to the more colloquial version used in sport, how quickly and well one reacts to given stimuli, which again cannot be summed up as just 'reflexes'. Instincts, physiology and reflexes set the ground work for raw potential, but ultimately it is a learned behaviour in concert with these factors and it's pretty obvious to any one who's even seen a child grow up that they're never a naturally born footballer, but they can be naturally inclined towards an interest in football.

The average level of skill generally wouldn't be getting any better with each generation if that weren't true. Psychologists, neurologists, skill coaches, biomechanical experts, sports scientists and a whole host of other professions will fuel that insight more and more over the coming decades, but obviously the player has to be hungry to learn, and intelligent and receptive enough to accept that their capacity to improve their abilities is probably more malleable than most junior coaches, parents and peers will ultimately tell them.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:18 am 
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Agree with most that has been said

disappointing that our second and third tier players could not step up against fairly ordinary opposition - ordinary games bokehorst whiley lamb and a number of others were really bad ie in 7 goal quarter by the bummers in second quarter
Not the end of the world but need to get system in place self evidentiary that achieves more than 4 goals a game - we have struggled to kick goals in the last 24 months as badly AS I HAVE SEEN IN OUR HISTORY - EVEN WHEN WE WERE CRAP LAST TIME AT LEAST HOLLYWWOOD FEVOLA kicked a few ,

Great to see Weitering and Graham look like decent players

Good to see other debutants as well

Where are Jaksch and Plowman armfield - surely they are better than Jones(one possession) and tutt :donk:


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:21 am 
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There were echoes of Fev when Curnow gathered the ball mid-air against two opponents and had an attempt on goal before landing. It's a shame the shot didn't skid more towards the goal mouth, because McKay was charging in by himself, ready to swoop.

Man they're going to be good.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:51 am 
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Is it just me , does Phillips remind you of Hampson ?
Next he will need corrective eye surgery !


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I think Hampsons eyes worked just fine ;)

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 12:30 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
"Instincts are inborn complex patterns of behavior that exist in most members of the species, and should be distinguished from reflexes, which are simple responses of an organism to a specific stimulus, such as the contraction of the pupil in response to bright light or the spasmodic movement of the lower leg when the knee is tapped. The absence of volitional capacity must not be confused with an inability to modify fixed action patterns. For example, people may be able to modify a stimulated fixed action pattern by consciously recognizing the point of its activation and simply stop doing it, whereas animals without a sufficiently strong volitional capacity may not be able to disengage from their fixed action patterns, once activated.[1]"
I don't think you can teach instinct. The very definition of it precludes that. I think reflexes can be improved upon and learned but instinct is inherited, not learned.

The day any one on here is actually referring to primal instinct, feel free to correct my comment as though it were a literal comment on evolutionary neurophysiology and how it relates to football. :lol:

I'm obviously referring to the more colloquial version used in sport, how quickly and well one reacts to given stimuli, which again cannot be summed up as just 'reflexes'. Instincts, physiology and reflexes set the ground work for raw potential, but ultimately it is a learned behaviour in concert with these factors and it's pretty obvious to any one who's even seen a child grow up that they're never a naturally born footballer, but they can be naturally inclined towards an interest in football.

The average level of skill generally wouldn't be getting any better with each generation if that weren't true. Psychologists, neurologists, skill coaches, biomechanical experts, sports scientists and a whole host of other professions will fuel that insight more and more over the coming decades, but obviously the player has to be hungry to learn, and intelligent and receptive enough to accept that their capacity to improve their abilities is probably more malleable than most junior coaches, parents and peers will ultimately tell them.

I don't think instinct can be learned.
Reflexes and anticipation can be improved.
Some sportsmen have a 'feel' for a game even if they've never played it. I think that sort of thing is approaching instinctive. They know something is about to happen before it does even if you don't understand why. But it's still a long bow to draw.
I wasn't trying to be pedantic, by the way. I just think instinct isn't what we are looking for in players, rather something they can learn and improve upon.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:04 pm 
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 3:29 pm 
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I just watched the replay. Plenty to like out of that game for the future.

Gallucci will be a best 22 before long, love what he brings to the team.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:21 pm 
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I agree. I think we saw BBs uncomfortable motto in action yesterday, giving fringe players the responsibility they wouldn't otherwise get and the challenge to endure with minimal rotations. It gives them great feedback to train harder and aim higher.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:29 pm 
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I just watched the replay. Plenty to like out of that game for the future.

Gallucci will be a best 22 before long, love what he brings to the team.


Loved Gallucci getting stuck into Goddard but he gave away a stack of stupid free kicks

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:34 pm 
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Poor Gallucci has come onboard at a difficult time for a small forward. Hope he can survive until our forward line is ready to produce in a few years.


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He'd want to develop sooner rather than later; needs some strength in the core/legs.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 4:57 pm 
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Poor Gallucci has come onboard at a difficult time for a small forward. Hope he can survive until our forward line is ready to produce in a few years.


I wish I'd seen as much in Gallucci as some of you guys.

As far as small forwards go, he's got plenty of ground to make up on Wright and Army. He has some time on his side, so there's hope I guess.


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 7:57 pm 
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Our Gallucci is tenacious and brings a robust attitude too, we need both.
Reasonable endurance and leg speed, and came cheap worth a shot.
The Gallucci younger version in this years draft is the one we all want, will be an AFL star of the future, intellegent and gifted midfielder.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:19 pm 
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Watching highlights on tv....compared to watching live at princes park. ..there are some great signs. .


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PostPosted: Mon Feb 29, 2016 8:23 pm 
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/c ... %20sun_rss

So we're pretty much doing the opposite of every other team.


Norf had 151 rotations in one game - round 1 will be a shock to the system


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