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cimm1979
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:14 pm 
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Parko clearly didn't realise that we only have to wait like 4 days to point and laugh at his baseless assessment (hopefully)


4 weeks I would think before we can make any judgements and even then it will take time.

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Mark J
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:17 pm 
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Meekster wrote:
I think at the moment our midfield is as good as most, but not top 4, need a couple more classy user that are ball magnets -maybe Cunningham is one of those in the making
Our back line is average to poor, with the Key position posts the biggest problem - Weitering should fix one of those in time
Our forward line is a basket case - Can't see how we kick more than 10 goals a game - McKay, Curnow and Silvagni should in time help, don't have an elite small forward a la Betts so still need recruit
So in my reckoning a few positions to fill yet and then you need competition for places and ability to cover some injuries - so a couple of drafts at least
At least we seem to have begun the process....


I'd say our mids are comparable to Collingwoods.
I'd say on talent alone our forwards and backs are comparable.
It is really going to come down to coaching.
It's obvious MM was completely out of touch, and I think BB will get us competitve quicker than most think.
Just my opinion, but I'm more optimistic than most.

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emtwenty
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:48 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Parko clearly didn't realise that we only have to wait like 4 days to point and laugh at his baseless assessment (hopefully)


4 weeks I would think before we can make any judgements and even then it will take time.

I'm very simplistic and will deem a win over Essendon* on Sunday as a complete declaration that our list is superior to their's :wink:
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cimm1979
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 8:57 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Parko clearly didn't realise that we only have to wait like 4 days to point and laugh at his baseless assessment (hopefully)


4 weeks I would think before we can make any judgements and even then it will take time.

I'm very simplistic and will deem a win over Essendon** on Sunday as a complete declaration that our list is superior to their's :wink:


Very sensible. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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emtwenty wrote:
cimm1979 wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
Parko clearly didn't realise that we only have to wait like 4 days to point and laugh at his baseless assessment (hopefully)


4 weeks I would think before we can make any judgements and even then it will take time.

I'm very simplistic and will deem a win over Essendon** on Sunday as a complete declaration that our list is superior to their's :wink:


Our list creams all over the depleted bomber list.

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dane
 Post subject: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2016 11:02 pm 
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Mark J wrote:
Meekster wrote:
I think at the moment our midfield is as good as most, but not top 4, need a couple more classy user that are ball magnets -maybe Cunningham is one of those in the making
Our back line is average to poor, with the Key position posts the biggest problem - Weitering should fix one of those in time
Our forward line is a basket case - Can't see how we kick more than 10 goals a game - McKay, Curnow and Silvagni should in time help, don't have an elite small forward a la Betts so still need recruit
So in my reckoning a few positions to fill yet and then you need competition for places and ability to cover some injuries - so a couple of drafts at least
At least we seem to have begun the process....


I'd say our mids are comparable to Collingwoods.
I'd say on talent alone our forwards and backs are comparable.
It is really going to come down to coaching.
It's obvious MM was completely out of touch, and I think BB will get us competitve quicker than most think.
Just my opinion, but I'm more optimistic than most.


I think you've been taking hallucinogens.

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 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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dane wrote:
Mark J wrote:
Meekster wrote:
I think at the moment our midfield is as good as most, but not top 4, need a couple more classy user that are ball magnets -maybe Cunningham is one of those in the making
Our back line is average to poor, with the Key position posts the biggest problem - Weitering should fix one of those in time
Our forward line is a basket case - Can't see how we kick more than 10 goals a game - McKay, Curnow and Silvagni should in time help, don't have an elite small forward a la Betts so still need recruit
So in my reckoning a few positions to fill yet and then you need competition for places and ability to cover some injuries - so a couple of drafts at least
At least we seem to have begun the process....


I'd say our mids are comparable to Collingwoods.
I'd say on talent alone our forwards and backs are comparable.
It is really going to come down to coaching.
It's obvious MM was completely out of touch, and I think BB will get us competitve quicker than most think.
Just my opinion, but I'm more optimistic than most.


I think you're been taking hallucinogens.


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Bolt from the Blue
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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cecil89 wrote:
Sorry Jimmae, but you're over rating Everitt's trade value. Mid-late second round is where I see it.

We're in a good position with Casboult. If the compensation pick is too good to refuse then you let him go, if it's fair compensation then you think long and hard and if the compensation isn't up to scratch then that's a result of him only receiving a moderate contract offer which we'll have no issues matching.

Well I like jim's optimism. Anyway if we lose both we lose our first choice KPFs. Not much else behind them at the moment and before you say McKay, let's not get too far ahead of ourselves and have some patience. This is where we can look at Tomlinson again at the end of the year.

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Dodo27
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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As long as Jones & Tutt are still on our list, Parko has every right to say what he said-he might be correct too....


For the last 10 years, Carlton fans have had high expectations of the team performance, especially when Mick took over, but all we got was disappointment and Shock, year after year, so for once, let's be realistic and not expect too much. Let's go to the footy this year and just enjoy watching our kids play & Grow....

The Club removed 12 players last year and it stopped recruiting Mature-aged recycled garbage which has killed our Club all those years!!

Very excited to see Curnow, Silvagni & Mckay play... not to mention our 1st Draft pick!!
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Dk
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 6:56 am 
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cecil89 wrote:
Sorry Jimmae, but you're over rating Everitt's trade value. Mid-late second round is where I see it.

We're in a good position with Casboult. If the compensation pick is too good to refuse then you let him go, if it's fair compensation then you think long and hard and if the compensation isn't up to scratch then that's a result of him only receiving a moderate contract offer which we'll have no issues matching.


Don't think Casboult is a free agent?? pretty sure our free agents are Armfield and Simmo. So if we get rid of Casboult it will be a pick coming from a trade not compensation.
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jimmae
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:22 am 
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Dk wrote:
Don't think Casboult is a free agent?? pretty sure our free agents are Armfield and Simmo. So if we get rid of Casboult it will be a pick coming from a trade not compensation.

He's a restricted free agent, so we have the option to match any offer submitted.

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Dk
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:30 am 
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jimmae wrote:
Dk wrote:
Don't think Casboult is a free agent?? pretty sure our free agents are Armfield and Simmo. So if we get rid of Casboult it will be a pick coming from a trade not compensation.

He's a restricted free agent, so we have the option to match any offer submitted.


Incorrect this is his 7th season on our list. Minimum is 8 before being a free agent

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-02-19/off-the-hook
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jimmae
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 9:35 am 
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Right you are, my mistake. Given that, we've got even more bargaining power.

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Dk
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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jimmae wrote:
Right you are, my mistake. Given that, we've got even more bargaining power.


Agreed. second round pick for him would be a decent get. Can turn that along with our own second round pick into a first rounder with the new points system.
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jimmae
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
PostPosted: Thu Feb 25, 2016 10:39 am 
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I'd hope we're aiming higher than that.

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Theoretically, a 2nd rounder to GWS (and maybe another with Casboult) could mean three 2nd rounders for them for any potential points system this draft? So we could trade in Tomlinson and then something else added on, like last year?

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deano35
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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Bolt from the Blue wrote:
Theoretically, a 2nd rounder to GWS (and maybe another with Casboult) could mean three 2nd rounders for them for any potential points system this draft? So we could trade in Tomlinson and then something else added on, like last year?


Why on earth would we trade Casboult but get Tomlinson??

You ideally want Casboult and Tomlinson in the same forward line.

To trade a forward for a forward is dumb
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Dk
 Post subject: Re: List Management 2016
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deano35 wrote:
Bolt from the Blue wrote:
Theoretically, a 2nd rounder to GWS (and maybe another with Casboult) could mean three 2nd rounders for them for any potential points system this draft? So we could trade in Tomlinson and then something else added on, like last year?


Why on earth would we trade Casboult but get Tomlinson??

You ideally want Casboult and Tomlinson in the same forward line.

To trade a forward for a forward is dumb


Will be tough to get tomlinson given the fact he has 2 years left on a contract GWS dont have to trade him and i doubt they would given the fact there gonna have to get rid of McCarthy.

Casboult for Tomlinson would be a great deal tho.
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Dk
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deano35 wrote:
Bolt from the Blue wrote:
Theoretically, a 2nd rounder to GWS (and maybe another with Casboult) could mean three 2nd rounders for them for any potential points system this draft? So we could trade in Tomlinson and then something else added on, like last year?


Why on earth would we trade Casboult but get Tomlinson??

You ideally want Casboult and Tomlinson in the same forward line.

To trade a forward for a forward is dumb


Will be tough to get tomlinson given the fact he has 2 years left on a contract GWS dont have to trade him and i doubt they would given the fact there gonna have to get rid of McCarthy.

Casboult for Tomlinson would be a great deal tho.
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What if Casboult wins the Coleman? Still doing that trade?
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