I think they're 40-goal forwards who can player another role in a decent team, my issue is that they're not 50+ goal forwards.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

All covered in this thread's opening post.

Boekhorst has 0 chance of being delisted.

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dane's trolling again

I get the impression that Casboult will be important to BB's plans and will continue his steady improvement this season. I doubt he'll be going anywhere if he is playing well.

At this stage of the season I can't see anyone that we would want to let go of that would get us a 1st round pick. Who knows by late in the season there might be one that is not so obvious now.

Remember we already have Geelong's first round pick this year, as well as our own. So we really only need to engineer one more round 1 pick (perhaps again, via a few second rounds picks to clubs needing points) to get three quality kids in again.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

??? We traded the Geelong pick.

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TC suffers from the social media illness - the death of respect and constructive discourse by keyboard.

Correct; that's how we got pick 8 (which became pick 10 after bids).

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

If Casboult was good enough to get a 1st rounder, we won't be letting him go. I'll be amazed if he's still around after this contract.

Everitt - packet of chips is all he's worth, I'm afraid.

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Stanley and Dixon are good examples of roughly where their value is at.

Let's not forget why Everitt came cheap: the Swans were under significant cap pressure with Franklin coming in.

They've had to trade out White, Mumford, Bird and release Membrey at least parly due to his acquisition. We're not under the same pressures, and we've shown them to be of roughly equal value to those first two trades.

The only issue is that they are coming out of contract, and what that means for us at the trade table. I'd suggest we want to keep them for less than fair value, and they'd be happy to stay, so we've got some negotiating power with Everitt due to his age (would take a 3-year deal to really turn his head), and Levi due to his RFA status.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Sorry Jimmae, but you're over rating Everitt's trade value. Mid-late second round is where I see it.

We're in a good position with Casboult. If the compensation pick is too good to refuse then you let him go, if it's fair compensation then you think long and hard and if the compensation isn't up to scratch then that's a result of him only receiving a moderate contract offer which we'll have no issues matching.

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@cecil_anderson

I completely forgot that we traded the Henderson pick.

Wow, we're [REDACTED]. Hand in the keys.

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O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

Did you forget that we drafted Harry McKay?

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@cecil_anderson

Interesting comments from Parko today on the quality of the list...

Empty comments without much behind them other than a gut feeling; it's been 16 years since Parko's done any real coaching.

The two biggest weaknesses of our club have been execution of tactics, and a lack of focus on skills under as close to match pressure as drills can provide, and they've been a huge focus in the pre-season, as well as raising fitness standards and management techniques.

We'll come on in leaps and bounds this season, so long as confidence is maintained with the playing group. Given the level of professionalism that's being asked of and received, this really isn't anything like the 2004 season, which is what I think Parko is hinting at.

There's no such thing as five-year rebuilds any more. There's so much turnover that can happen in that time, and it's impossible to sell to members and players. As far as I'm concerned we're about 12 months into what shouldn't be more than a three-year project to be a finals competitive club.

There's list moves to be made of course, but the remaining turnover could be as little as a third (including rookies). That's not much if you're playing with good picks.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I'm not sure anyone can judge our list or capability this year based solely on the complete reset of the Club. Exposed form in the real season is what is relevant. We have significant upside with returning players from injury, plus significant upside in kids who haven't been able to deliver due to injury or opportunity.

The fact that the comparison between the Carlton and Essendon* lists is a legitimate topic of conversations shows how poor our list is. We're being compared to a team stripped of 12 of its players.
We're a couple of drafts away from having the foundations of a top team, then we'll need time for those guys to develop after that.
I think the '66 game rebuild' is to get us set up for sustained success, not a timeline for when we'll be a top 4 team.

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@cecil_anderson

This time last year everyone had :

Gold Coast top 4
The Bulldogs nowhere near the 8
Brisbane top 8
The Saints not winning a game

So let's wait til the real stuff starts and assess after 6 or so rounds.

The dogs are the example of the team that unexpectedly jumped. I think the difference between us and the dogs of 2015 is that they'd already done their groundwork at the draft, we're only just starting to put our foundation together.
A good coach can make a significant difference and I'm hopeful that Bolton will get us playing better football and getting some more wins than many expect. I don't expect a sudden surge up the ladder though, not yet anyway.

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@cecil_anderson

I think at the moment our midfield is as good as most, but not top 4, need a couple more classy user that are ball magnets -maybe Cunningham is one of those in the making
Our back line is average to poor, with the Key position posts the biggest problem - Weitering should fix one of those in time
Our forward line is a basket case - Can't see how we kick more than 10 goals a game - McKay, Curnow and Silvagni should in time help, don't have an elite small forward a la Betts so still need recruit
So in my reckoning a few positions to fill yet and then you need competition for places and ability to cover some injuries - so a couple of drafts at least
At least we seem to have begun the process....

You know what...get stuffed Parko.....I think you're wrong.
Sick of ex club greats talking down our club.
I hope BB has the fortitude to prove you all wrong.
Worse list than ****, give me a flower break
In fact I don't think the Tigers, or Roo's, or Pies lists are all their cracked up to be.
Sure we have deficiencies, but give the new regime a chance ffs!

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I see you watching me watching you.

Parko clearly didn't realise that we only have to wait like 4 days to point and laugh at his baseless assessment (hopefully)