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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:45 am 
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Everitt and Jones should not play for us again. How many times can we watch Everitt pretend........hopefully BB won't be watching him for very long.


After kicking 31 goals last year Everitt can play as much as he wants. We have enough trouble kicking goals and you want to get rid of yet another who can


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:26 pm 
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jim wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Everitt and Jones should not play for us again. How many times can we watch Everitt pretend........hopefully BB won't be watching him for very long.


After kicking 31 goals last year Everitt can play as much as he wants. We have enough trouble kicking goals and you want to get rid of yet another who can


:thumbsup:

I also think Tex is underrated as a fwd around here. He had a few games towards end of last year where he kicked 4 goals, virtually the go to man up fwd. We need no reminding what he did in 2011 either.


A class forward, I'm expecting 50 plus goals this year if his body holds up.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:32 pm 
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Um, Tex and Spider will be our biggest goal kickers this year, most likely.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:42 pm 
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jim wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Everitt and Jones should not play for us again. How many times can we watch Everitt pretend........hopefully BB won't be watching him for very long.


After kicking 31 goals last year Everitt can play as much as he wants. We have enough trouble kicking goals and you want to get rid of yet another who can


BB has laid down the ground rules of how he expects 'everyone' to play. I think Everitt will need to adjust his current game to survive in our 22, unless BB is full of hot air, which I doubt.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:52 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Um, Tex and Spider will be our biggest goal kickers this year, most likely.


Yep, 100 goals each :razz:


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:52 pm 
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jim wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Everitt and Jones should not play for us again. How many times can we watch Everitt pretend........hopefully BB won't be watching him for very long.


After kicking 31 goals last year Everitt can play as much as he wants. We have enough trouble kicking goals and you want to get rid of yet another who can


I disagree with you both.

Everitt is on our list this year, so we need to get the best out of him. Let's not put a line through him in February.

But it's also not just about how many goals he kicks....

Last night was not his best effort. I thought he let his teammates down. You only need one weak link for the whole defensive structure to come undone. And it is not a once off. He is not consistently competitive, IMO. I recall some very worrying body language and half hearted looking efforts from him last year.

He has talent, but so do Hendo, Menzel & Yarran.....

It will be interesting to see what we get from Everitt under BB.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:54 pm 
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jim wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Everitt and Jones should not play for us again. How many times can we watch Everitt pretend........hopefully BB won't be watching him for very long.


After kicking 31 goals last year Everitt can play as much as he wants. We have enough trouble kicking goals and you want to get rid of yet another who can



its easy kicking goals when you're unaccountable, 20 metres behind your man (or it must be the effects of his germ phobia) and a turnover is created
well done spider mkII not at all a selfish cheating individual like your brother :roll:
yep that's the culture you need to emphasis and build on at a new directional sporting organization


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 12:58 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
jim wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Everitt and Jones should not play for us again. How many times can we watch Everitt pretend........hopefully BB won't be watching him for very long.


After kicking 31 goals last year Everitt can play as much as he wants. We have enough trouble kicking goals and you want to get rid of yet another who can


BB has laid down the ground rules of how he expects 'everyone' to play. I think Everitt will need to adjust his current game to survive in our 22, unless BB is full of hot air, which I doubt.


Kick 30 goals he you won't be going anywhere, he'll be more that surviving. Ground rules or not, no coach is that stupid. Unlike supporters, coaches actually look at what a player can do, not always what they can't do. Then they weigh that all up and make their decision. 31 goals will mean the pros will outweigh the cons by quite a bit.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:03 pm 
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redback wrote:
jim wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Everitt and Jones should not play for us again. How many times can we watch Everitt pretend........hopefully BB won't be watching him for very long.


After kicking 31 goals last year Everitt can play as much as he wants. We have enough trouble kicking goals and you want to get rid of yet another who can



its easy kicking goals when you're unaccountable, 20 metres behind your man (or it must be the effects of his germ phobia) and a turnover is created
well done spider mkII not at all a selfish cheating individual like your brother :roll:
yep that's the culture you need to emphasis and build on at a new directional sporting organization


Yes, must so easy kicking that many goals. Good grief. Took quite a few from contested marks or did you conveniently miss that.

Would you prefer someone who doesn't kick any goals.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:04 pm 
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We won't improve just because Everitt kicks 30 goals a season.

The only way we build a successful team is if EVERY player buys into the game style, is committed, unselfish and professional.

I'm not stamping Everitt's papers yet, but he is one player that gives the impression he may not survive the journey under BB.

I say that based on the past 12 months, not just on last night's game.

Time will tell...

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:10 pm 
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Paddycripps wrote:
Um, Tex and Spider will be our biggest goal kickers this year, most likely.

100 goals from those two and Levi should be the minimum this season, would prefer 120-140.

redback wrote:
jim wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Everitt and Jones should not play for us again. How many times can we watch Everitt pretend........hopefully BB won't be watching him for very long.


After kicking 31 goals last year Everitt can play as much as he wants. We have enough trouble kicking goals and you want to get rid of yet another who can



its easy kicking goals when you're unaccountable, 20 metres behind your man (or it must be the effects of his germ phobia) and a turnover is created
well done spider mkII not at all a selfish cheating individual like your brother :roll:
yep that's the culture you need to emphasis and build on at a new directional sporting organization

Somebody needs to be forward of the play... bloke does plenty of running.

Are we supposed to have a rolling 70 metre zone that transitions from defence to attack and back again as one? Someone should tell Levi, Rowe and Jamison too.

Get in Lyon instead of BB so we can smother out these undisciplined attacking runs that give an easy target to hit in space. Only on the counter boys, only if he's running off half back for the score; that's the honest way to kick a goal.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:17 pm 
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ABNS has summed it. I think BB will not tolerate that display. Let's see!


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:33 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
jim wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Everitt and Jones should not play for us again. How many times can we watch Everitt pretend........hopefully BB won't be watching him for very long.


After kicking 31 goals last year Everitt can play as much as he wants. We have enough trouble kicking goals and you want to get rid of yet another who can


I disagree with you both.

Everitt is on our list this year, so we need to get the best out of him. Let's not put a line through him in February.

But it's also not just about how many goals he kicks....

Last night was not his best effort. I thought he let his teammates down. You only need one weak link for the whole defensive structure to come undone. And it is not a once off. He is not consistently competitive, IMO. I recall some very worrying body language and half hearted looking efforts from him last year.

He has talent, but so do Hendo, Menzel & Yarran.....

It will be interesting to see what we get from Everitt under BB.


Yep. If Bolton thinks and the stats show that our 31 goal forward costs us 25 the other way then he needs upgrading.

Frustrating player, Everitt.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 1:38 pm 
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Great little article:

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/carlton ... ed07f7cb6e

The days of going all out for irrelevant wins in the Pre Season are over.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 3:52 pm 
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jim wrote:
redback wrote:
jim wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Everitt and Jones should not play for us again. How many times can we watch Everitt pretend........hopefully BB won't be watching him for very long.


After kicking 31 goals last year Everitt can play as much as he wants. We have enough trouble kicking goals and you want to get rid of yet another who can



its easy kicking goals when you're unaccountable, 20 metres behind your man (or it must be the effects of his germ phobia) and a turnover is created
well done spider mkII not at all a selfish cheating individual like your brother :roll:
yep that's the culture you need to emphasis and build on at a new directional sporting organization


Yes, must so easy kicking that many goals. Good grief. Took quite a few from contested marks or did you conveniently miss that.

Would you prefer someone who doesn't kick any goals.



contested marks :lol: who gives a flyer about contested marks :roll:
did you conveniently leave out his unbalanced one arm sideways tackles or his head wobbling express pace chase downs.
I understand it was only a pre season game but you cannot afford a senior player to pretend to do the 1% when you are trying to build a new team and have them embrace the very basics of what a successful (or any team) team need to do
he is now a experienced/senior player whether he likes it or not and setting an example to the newbies of what is expected is a no brainer and a non negotiable

if he can't at the very least do that then I hope our new coach has the balls to do what the old shitman didn't


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:31 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Paddycripps wrote:
Um, Tex and Spider will be our biggest goal kickers this year, most likely.

100 goals from those two and Levi should be the minimum this season, would prefer 120-140.

redback wrote:
jim wrote:
SurreyBlue wrote:
Everitt and Jones should not play for us again. How many times can we watch Everitt pretend........hopefully BB won't be watching him for very long.


After kicking 31 goals last year Everitt can play as much as he wants. We have enough trouble kicking goals and you want to get rid of yet another who can



its easy kicking goals when you're unaccountable, 20 metres behind your man (or it must be the effects of his germ phobia) and a turnover is created
well done spider mkII not at all a selfish cheating individual like your brother :roll:
yep that's the culture you need to emphasis and build on at a new directional sporting organization

Somebody needs to be forward of the play... bloke does plenty of running.


Theres a big difference between being forward of the play and being forward of your player. When the ball is in dispute or the opposition have it, no one should be content being forward of their player.
Everett is an important cog in our machine but 1 handed attempts at marks and half hearted efforts should never be tolerated. NAB Cup or any other game.
They're the types of efforts which quickly become contagious if they're not stamped out immediately.

He was very poor last night. Lets hope it was a once off.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:24 pm 
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There were players on both sides who weren't going that hard at the contest, some even slowing down to avoid taking a hit in a marking contest at full pace.

It's pre-season; no point in putting your body on the line when the outcome has no impact on your season, but an injury does.

As for turnovers, that's the risk taken when you break ahead of an opponent, and the responsibility needs to be shared between disposal target, disposer and coaches in terms of execution of the game structures. I'm sure Everitt cops his fair whack, but I hope he doesn't get whacked over the head repeatedly for being 5 metres behind his opponent because someone turned the ball over.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:09 pm 
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Ponkstar wrote:
Thought Whiley might be related to this guy:

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Looks like the love child of Josh Bootsma & Dennis Armfield!!
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You missed Gibbs - he was good

Indeed I did. Another player who performed well in the first half; I think he, Kerridge and Whiley had 40 possessions between them, teaming up well around the stoppages and making Tutt look competent.

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There's probably 10 blokes outside of tonight's team that could slot straight in and hold their own at AFL level, so I'm comfortable enough with what was shown tonight. Yeah the forward structures need to improve, but the half of the intelligence and mobility that's going to make that work wasn't even on the park.


Walker
Murphy
Cripps
Buckley
Weitering
Jaksch?

I'm starting to struggle now

Wasn't counting Jaksch, but I count 9 including the rest of those, as well as Plowman, Sheehan, Armfield and maybe Cuningham. Jaksch could well come on, Cuningham might not, but the other 8 have shown a clear ability to match it at AFL level when fit.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 6:52 pm 
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It was clear that Jobes. Tutt, White and Rowe won't be here in one or two years. So much to look forward to from last year.


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Thought Jones and played with some intent, which is much better than in the past. Was still pretty much ineffective and I still probably won't make it but he's attitude was good.


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