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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:33 pm 
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Synners you have a point with the recruiting manager but shouldn't we wait until the first couple of months of the new year (oops we are into it already) to see if the powers appoint someone. Then fly off the handle.


Maybe just maybe they are doing some due diligence.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 10:35 pm 
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Failure Teddy Failure! Club is cooooooked!

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 9:14 am 
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Synners has a point though. I mean we've just come off a recruiting period where SOS has revived the careers of three of the guys he drafted / recruited (I think Phillips was before his time?). That's not to say they're duds. But from a list management perspective it would be hard to distance yourself from the guys you draft.

So let's say in two years time that Cuningham has played one game and McKay has played five but suffered from repeat stress fractures. It takes a pretty strong list manager to make calls on blokes that two years earlier he thought could really play.

In a football club with strong processes, you'd have to think there is a degree of separation between drafting and list management.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:10 pm 
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The contracts would determine the risk of his trades IMO. If Sumner is on a 1yr deal, then it's a good decision and easy to move on if he doesn't work out.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:06 am 
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Synbad wrote:
dane wrote:
Must be hard dealing with all of us plebeians on here.

Not at all. I don't need to deal with insightful I just need to point out insightful stuff.

It does seem to be difficult to hear truth though.


Not sure how " insightful" you are coming across as. Carping on about all the mistakes of yesteryear and merely stating that nothing has changed, when it clearly has is not insightful.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:06 pm 
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Today's mistakes will also be harped on in the future as yesteryears
That's how it is my little friend padre.
You might see us making up ground on the hawthorns etc.. Which is what we must do to make up ground... But you need to point out what were actually doing that's groundbreakingly going to allow us to catch up.
We don't even have a recruiter boss.

The stage is yours.
Please share !
Loll

I'll repeat it! Club is like your nans broken China vase.. No matter how you try sticking the pieces together it's never going to be the same.


But padre ..? Enlighten us with your inside knowledge of how the club is catching up
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I'm all ears!

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 8:12 pm 
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The Normal One wrote:
The contracts would determine the risk of his trades IMO. If Sumner is on a 1yr deal, then it's a good decision and easy to move on if he doesn't work out.


On let's get this straight! Sumner is a sos top ten pick who has played twelve games in four years.
He was offered up to us in 2014 and we didn't want him..
He is a fifty fifty chance of fifteen games in five years.

The fact he has a one year contract does not actually mean jack for us going forward..

The other thing is when we play gws .. It's essentially going to have the feel of an intraclub game.

That's s very gwscentric strategy when there are sixteen other clubs

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 10:49 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Today's mistakes will also be harped on in the future as yesteryears
That's how it is my little friend padre.
You might see us making up ground on the hawthorns etc.. Which is what we must do to make up ground... But you need to point out what were actually doing that's groundbreakingly going to allow us to catch up.
We don't even have a recruiter boss.

The stage is yours.
Please share !
Loll

I'll repeat it! Club is like your nans broken China vase.. No matter how you try sticking the pieces together it's never going to be the same.


But padre ..? Enlighten us with your inside knowledge of how the club is catching up
.

I'm all ears!


Social media/ member connection. Much improved.
Senior coach. Much better messages coming out, more modern ideas, training seems much more constructive.
Support coaches. All have senior coaching experience at lower levels. This give a more holistic approach. No longer as insular in their thinking.
Northern blues coach. Seems like he will be an extension of the club, rather than an outsider.
Recruiting. List turn over at the expense of pea hearted selfish individuals. I like all the draftees.
The debt is what it is. Cant dwell on it. Membership needs to improve to help solve this. They are doing much better with membership numbers this year..or do you dispute this?
You are now on the recruiter bandwagon . You seem to have whittled it down to this and the debt. Fair enough. But isnt this in itself an improvemnt? You dont give credit for ANY improvements. Cripps was no good. That sticks out in my memory. You probably were very critical of all the past few years of recruiting, but i see BB having a big year, graham seems to be going ok. The irish will be ok with an injury free run.
Weitering no good?
Mckay too big?
Curnow too slow?
Cunningham too young?


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 04, 2016 11:26 pm 
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Synbad's new rant topic. Recruiting manager. Expect to see it mentioned in every thread from now on.

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Padre don't bother it is not how the place is being run it is who is running it that is Synners gripe.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:24 am 
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I suppose in your mind being the only club in the world without a recruitment boss is groundbreaking cutting edge Dane? Lol

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 9:55 am 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
Padre don't bother it is not how the place is being run it is who is running it that is Synners gripe.

Who is running it is why we are a crap club!
So it's simple!
Crap people running the show can only mean one thing

Crap club!

The longer the same crap people run the club the longer were destined to the dizzy depths of crapness.

Nothing is more obvious than entering the second season of our three year rebuild without s recruiting boss!
Yes padre should not bother answering.. Code for sticking head in sand.
Really really deep!


But yeah were back!

Let me remind you.
The club is also skint!

That's so not because of me, but because of the people running the club and grinding it into the dust.



Yes! We're back!

Enjoy!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 10:00 am 
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padre wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Today's mistakes will also be harped on in the future as yesteryears
That's how it is my little friend padre.
You might see us making up ground on the hawthorns etc.. Which is what we must do to make up ground... But you need to point out what were actually doing that's groundbreakingly going to allow us to catch up.
We don't even have a recruiter boss.

The stage is yours.
Please share !
Loll

I'll repeat it! Club is like your nans broken China vase.. No matter how you try sticking the pieces together it's never going to be the same.


But padre ..? Enlighten us with your inside knowledge of how the club is catching up
.

I'm all ears!


Social media/ member connection. Much improved.
Senior coach. Much better messages coming out, more modern ideas, training seems much more constructive.
Support coaches. All have senior coaching experience at lower levels. This give a more holistic approach. No longer as insular in their thinking.
Northern blues coach. Seems like he will be an extension of the club, rather than an outsider.
Recruiting. List turn over at the expense of pea hearted selfish individuals. I like all the draftees.
The debt is what it is. Cant dwell on it. Membership needs to improve to help solve this. They are doing much better with membership numbers this year..or do you dispute this?
You are now on the recruiter bandwagon . You seem to have whittled it down to this and the debt. Fair enough. But isnt this in itself an improvemnt? You dont give credit for ANY improvements. Cripps was no good. That sticks out in my memory. You probably were very critical of all the past few years of recruiting, but i see BB having a big year, graham seems to be going ok. The irish will be ok with an injury free run.
Weitering no good?
Mckay too big?
Curnow too slow?
Cunningham too young?

That's crap!
Social media improved.

Even my social media has improved!


Tell me a club that hasn't improved!

You can still improve and go backwards padre.
If you are sprinting against Bolt. You're going forward but he's smashed you!

You're actually not understanding what's going on at the great afl clubs like hawthorn to be excited with our social media getting better!

You see.. We don't have a recruiting boss!
Were waiting for him two years

That's professionalism right there my friend!

Forget about our finances. They won't improve till we win the flag and everybody jumps on board! Loll

Funny!

Hilarious!

Crap club

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:15 am 
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You sound bitter


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 11:44 am 
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Sound!

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:12 pm 
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Carltons recruiting structure

GM - List Management and Strategy Stephen Silvagni
Recruiting Officer Glenn Elliott
Recruiting Officer Dale Harris
Recruiting Officer Michael Jordan

Collingwoods recruiting structure

Derek Hine - General Manager of List Management

Matthew Rendell - Senior National Recruiting Assistant

Dominic Milesi - National Recruiting Assistant

Adam Shepard - National Recruiting Assistant


Do we need to give the "senior" tag to an assistant for our recruiting and club to be competent?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:42 pm 
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Mackinnon2Fotia wrote:
Do we need to give the "senior" tag to an assistant for our recruiting and club to be competent?


We weren't recruiting Paul Brodie for his social habits.
Obviously the club thought the role was warranted or they wouldn't have chased him to fill the position.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 3:54 pm 
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Blue Vain wrote:
Mackinnon2Fotia wrote:
Do we need to give the "senior" tag to an assistant for our recruiting and club to be competent?


We weren't recruiting Paul Brodie for his social habits.
Obviously the club thought the role was warranted or they wouldn't have chased him to fill the position.


Brodie would change the dynamic, but I don't see the disaster though in not having a "head" recruiter. Port for instance are running with a recruiting manager and an assistant on their payroll. The strategy during the last trade period showed the club has made a distinct improvement in this area of operations.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:29 pm 
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I didn't say it was a disaster. I merely responded to your question.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2016 4:30 pm 
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We didn't replace the peanut guy either. No wonder we're crap.

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