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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 12:56 pm 
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Carlton finishes on the bottom of the ladder and bring in 14 new players...

Surely more than 3 or 4 of them will break into our best 22??

McKay, Curnow, SOSOS, GMac - all talls that traditionally take time
Weitering, Plowman - could perhaps be competing for the same spot unless one steps up and takes CHB
Lamb, Sumner, Kerridge, Wright - all play half forward high mid, only room for maybe two.
Phillips, Gorringe, Korcheck - Phillips and Gorringe a chance, I just don't want to put them in my 22 without seeing how they work with Kreuzer
Cuningham - too young and haven't seen enough of him
Gallucci - not enough nominated rookie spots available


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 2:21 pm 
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zeecfc wrote:
Wet Willie wrote:
Carlton finishes on the bottom of the ladder and bring in 14 new players...

Surely more than 3 or 4 of them will break into our best 22??

McKay, Curnow, SOSOS, GMac - all talls that traditionally take time
Weitering, Plowman - could perhaps be competing for the same spot unless one steps up and takes CHB
Lamb, Sumner, Kerridge, Wright - all play half forward high mid, only room for maybe two.
Phillips, Gorringe, Korcheck - Phillips and Gorringe a chance, I just don't want to put them in my 22 without seeing how they work with Kreuzer
Cuningham - too young and haven't seen enough of him
Gallucci - not enough nominated rookie spots available

Pretty sure they've picked up Kerridge to play in the middle; McKay and Curnow strike me as a better 3rd forward option than Jones, Foster and arguably Gorringe, just a question of fitness levels.

Weitering, Plowman and Jamison has to be the first choice defensive tall set; Rowe is a liability relative to them.

None of the kids are being asked to do the impossible; Jamison is the number one KPD, Casboult the number one KPF; Plowman, Tuohy, Docherty, Byrne all keep cool heads in defence and Everitt and Walker will be doing the heavy lifting up forward, with 5 options brought in to press for selection in the other 2 forward positions.

McKay and Weitering are physically ready to step into secondary tall duties. Let's not forget they ran a 14.1 and 15.4 beep test respectively at the combine. The biggest issue is if McKay can find enough of the footy, but Gippsland had a torrid time of it forward of centre in the second half of the year so I think he'll be fine as third/fourth fiddle in a more professional set up. Can always rotate him and Curnow for the other to give them a breather.

There is zero point to shielding our first round picks beyond managing their workload; they've all got weapons which will see them play comfortably at senior level, it's just a question of how they approach their pre-season work.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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I'll be almost as curious to see how the 2's line up.

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B. Weitering Jamison Tuohy
HB. Docherty Plowman Buckley
C. Thomas GIBBS Simpson
HF. Everitt Jaksch Lamb
F. Phillips Walker Wright

R. Kreuzer Cripps Murphy

I. Boekhorst White Kerridge Graham


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Tuohy Jamison Plowman
Docherty Weitering Simpson
Boekhorst Cripps E Curnow
Thomas Jaksch Graham
Everitt Casboult Wright
Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy

Kerridge Byrne Buckley Walker

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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cecil89 wrote:
Tuohy Jamison Plowman
Docherty Weitering Simpson
Boekhorst Cripps E Curnow
Thomas Jaksch Graham
Everitt Casboult Wright
Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy

Kerridge Byrne Buckley Walker


I don't believe that ruck combo works for us. Kreuzer and a bit of Casboult - Casboult as a second ruck doesn't influence the ruck and is really only a good forward (IMHO). Unfortunatley I think we need another tall doing that, and if that other tall is Orange or someone else they take Jakschers' spot.

Not enough forward pressure either . Armfield or Sumner will play IMHO.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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Rexy wrote:
B. Weitering Jamison Tuohy
HB. Docherty Plowman Buckley
C. Thomas GIBBS Simpson
HF. Everitt Jaksch Lamb
F. Phillips Walker Wright

R. Kreuzer Cripps Murphy

I. Boekhorst White Kerridge Graham



barring injury i think we will have at least 1 curnow each week

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Sun Nov 29, 2015 7:59 pm 
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Ando the Wonderkid wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
Tuohy Jamison Plowman
Docherty Weitering Simpson
Boekhorst Cripps E Curnow
Thomas Jaksch Graham
Everitt Casboult Wright
Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy

Kerridge Byrne Buckley Walker


I don't believe that ruck combo works for us. Kreuzer and a bit of Casboult - Casboult as a second ruck doesn't influence the ruck and is really only a good forward (IMHO). Unfortunatley I think we need another tall doing that, and if that other tall is Orange or someone else they take Jakschers' spot.

Not enough forward pressure either . Armfield or Sumner will play IMHO.


I prefer a stronger running team, and for that reason haven't picked a second ruck. Phillips would be my choice if I was going to pick one, but I don't want to go in too top heavy.

Agree about a lack of forward pressure. Originally had Sumner in, but given his injury history and limited pre-season I think he'll need to force his way in. Smith is the one I considered as well, possibly in place of Walker, but then we sacrifice a goal kicking option for a pressure player. I'd be hopeful Wright can apply pressure and also hit the scoreboard a little. It's a tricky balance though.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 3:41 pm 
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B: Weitering Jamison Byrne
HB: Simpson Plowman Buckley
C: Tuohy Gibbs Docherty
HF: Walker Jaksch Everitt
F: Thomas Casboult Wright
Foll: Kreuzer Cripps Murphy
Int: Graham E. Curnow Sumner Boekhorst

All in all though, with injuries and suspensions which will come, I would pencil anyone except Silvagni to get games this year, and that is a heap of players!

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 6:51 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
Ando the Wonderkid wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
Tuohy Jamison Plowman
Docherty Weitering Simpson
Boekhorst Cripps E Curnow
Thomas Jaksch Graham
Everitt Casboult Wright
Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy

Kerridge Byrne Buckley Walker


I don't believe that ruck combo works for us. Kreuzer and a bit of Casboult - Casboult as a second ruck doesn't influence the ruck and is really only a good forward (IMHO). Unfortunatley I think we need another tall doing that, and if that other tall is Orange or someone else they take Jakschers' spot.

Not enough forward pressure either . Armfield or Sumner will play IMHO.


I prefer a stronger running team, and for that reason haven't picked a second ruck. Phillips would be my choice if I was going to pick one, but I don't want to go in too top heavy.

Agree about a lack of forward pressure. Originally had Sumner in, but given his injury history and limited pre-season I think he'll need to force his way in. Smith is the one I considered as well, possibly in place of Walker, but then we sacrifice a goal kicking option for a pressure player. I'd be hopeful Wright can apply pressure and also hit the scoreboard a little. It's a tricky balance though.


Fair enough, well said. Think we'll still need Sumner or Army :).

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cecil89 wrote:
Ando the Wonderkid wrote:
cecil89 wrote:
Tuohy Jamison Plowman
Docherty Weitering Simpson
Boekhorst Cripps E Curnow
Thomas Jaksch Graham
Everitt Casboult Wright
Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy

Kerridge Byrne Buckley Walker


I don't believe that ruck combo works for us. Kreuzer and a bit of Casboult - Casboult as a second ruck doesn't influence the ruck and is really only a good forward (IMHO). Unfortunatley I think we need another tall doing that, and if that other tall is Orange or someone else they take Jakschers' spot.

Not enough forward pressure either . Armfield or Sumner will play IMHO.


I prefer a stronger running team, and for that reason haven't picked a second ruck. Phillips would be my choice if I was going to pick one, but I don't want to go in too top heavy.

Agree about a lack of forward pressure. Originally had Sumner in, but given his injury history and limited pre-season I think he'll need to force his way in. Smith is the one I considered as well, possibly in place of Walker, but then we sacrifice a goal kicking option for a pressure player. I'd be hopeful Wright can apply pressure and also hit the scoreboard a little. It's a tricky balance though.


Fair enough, well said. Think we'll still need Sumner or Army :).

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 8:26 pm 
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For me atm,
Simpson Jamison Plowman
Tuohy Weitering Buckley
Docherty Cripps Kerridge
Thomas Walker Wright
C Curnow Casboult Everitt
Kreuzer Murphy Gibbs
Anyone from;
Boekhorst, Graham, Gorringe, Lamb
Sunmer, Rainbow, Jaksch, E Curnow
White, Phillips and Cuningham.
Harry McKay, Foster and SOSS2 will take a year or two.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:03 pm 
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Weitering shouldn't be thrown straight into the spine.

Jamo/Rowe at full back, Plowman at CHB with Weitering in a pocket or on a flank to chop out.

His intercept marking is a weapon, you can't utilise it to its potential when he is manning a KPF. That and he is still a developing kid, albeit a talented one.

This perception that he is ready to hold down a key position is based on what, the opinion of a mungbean of a coach from Queensland?

We'll destroy him as quickly as we drafted him if we play him in the spine from round one. Let him fix his five percent of our problems from a flank/pocket first.

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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 10:40 pm 
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Tuhoy Jamison Weitering
Simpson Plowman E. Curnow
Docherty Cripps Kerridge
Everitt Casboult Thomas
Boekhurst Walker Buckley
Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy
Jaksch C Curnow Graham Wright

I think the key will to be have a heap of blokes who can go through the midfield. I have high hopes that Docherty will predominately play on the ball. Whilst I think Buckley will have to play forward to provide additional speed. Pretty happy with a small forward line which provides multiple options. Ed Curnow probably had his best year last year and spent a lot of time across half back when not tagging. Jaksch, C Curnow or Weitering will probably have to play forward when Casboult relives in the ruck too. Reckon jaksch will have to be a forward now with the addition of 3 tall defenders through draft and trade.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Mon Nov 30, 2015 11:04 pm 
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Lachy Mate wrote:
Tuhoy Jamison Weitering
Simpson Plowman E. Curnow
Docherty Cripps Kerridge
Everitt Casboult Thomas
Boekhurst Walker Buckley
Kreuzer Gibbs Murphy
Jaksch C Curnow Graham Wright

I think the key will to be have a heap of blokes who can go through the midfield. I have high hopes that Docherty will predominately play on the ball. Whilst I think Buckley will have to play forward to provide additional speed. Pretty happy with a small forward line which provides multiple options. Ed Curnow probably had his best year last year and spent a lot of time across half back when not tagging. Jaksch, C Curnow or Weitering will probably have to play forward when Casboult relives in the ruck too. Reckon jaksch will have to be a forward now with the addition of 3 tall defenders through draft and trade.

Looks good enough to belt the Tigers rd 1.....are we there yet?


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
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If 6 or 7 of these 15 recruits fire we could well surprise Richmond in round 1. Wouldn't be the first time it has happened.

I can see all of the 5 draftees getting games at various stages in 2016. Also some interesting competition among the other newbies for a few spots. Never has our best 22 been more up in the air and changeable than now.


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 Post subject: Re: Our best 22?
PostPosted: Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:19 am 
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Weitering shouldn't be thrown straight into the spine.

Jamo/Rowe at full back, Plowman at CHB with Weitering in a pocket or on a flank to chop out.

His intercept marking is a weapon, you can't utilise it to its potential when he is manning a KPF. That and he is still a developing kid, albeit a talented one.

This perception that he is ready to hold down a key position is based on what, the opinion of a mungbean of a coach from Queensland?

We'll destroy him as quickly as we drafted him if we play him in the spine from round one. Let him fix his five percent of our problems from a flank/pocket first.


Players dont actually play in the position there named in the forward/back line. eg. Weitering runs out named at CHB doesn't mean he will play there. He will have a match up that he will play on regardless of weather that player plays deep or up the ground a bit more. I reckon Weitering will take Vickery and give him an absolute bath round 1. So for me when I name him CHB it really means he will take the second best opposition forward and still will be able to float across and help out jamo. plus plowman is probably only tall enough to play third tall defender against most teams


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Dk wrote:
mikeychook wrote:
Weitering shouldn't be thrown straight into the spine.

Jamo/Rowe at full back, Plowman at CHB with Weitering in a pocket or on a flank to chop out.

His intercept marking is a weapon, you can't utilise it to its potential when he is manning a KPF. That and he is still a developing kid, albeit a talented one.

This perception that he is ready to hold down a key position is based on what, the opinion of a mungbean of a coach from Queensland?

We'll destroy him as quickly as we drafted him if we play him in the spine from round one. Let him fix his five percent of our problems from a flank/pocket first.


Players dont actually play in the position there named in the forward/back line. eg. Weitering runs out named at CHB doesn't mean he will play there. He will have a match up that he will play on regardless of weather that player plays deep or up the ground a bit more. I reckon Weitering will take Vickery and give him an absolute bath round 1. So for me when I name him CHB it really means he will take the second best opposition forward and still will be able to float across and help out jamo. plus plowman is probably only tall enough to play third tall defender against most teams



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If 6 or 7 of these 15 recruits fire we could well surprise Richmond in round 1. Wouldn't be the first time it has happened.

I just want Touhy or Buckley to towel up Yarran.
A win would be a bonus but to me, having the Richmond faithful watch their great get for 2015 rendered useless in his first outing for the club would just about set up my season, win or loss.

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mikeychook wrote:
Dk wrote:
mikeychook wrote:
Weitering shouldn't be thrown straight into the spine.

Jamo/Rowe at full back, Plowman at CHB with Weitering in a pocket or on a flank to chop out.

His intercept marking is a weapon, you can't utilise it to its potential when he is manning a KPF. That and he is still a developing kid, albeit a talented one.

This perception that he is ready to hold down a key position is based on what, the opinion of a mungbean of a coach from Queensland?

We'll destroy him as quickly as we drafted him if we play him in the spine from round one. Let him fix his five percent of our problems from a flank/pocket first.


Players dont actually play in the position there named in the forward/back line. eg. Weitering runs out named at CHB doesn't mean he will play there. He will have a match up that he will play on regardless of weather that player plays deep or up the ground a bit more. I reckon Weitering will take Vickery and give him an absolute bath round 1. So for me when I name him CHB it really means he will take the second best opposition forward and still will be able to float across and help out jamo. plus plowman is probably only tall enough to play third tall defender against most teams



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yeah pretty much


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