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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:32 am 
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I will say one thing about Mitchell, he was clearly smart enough to know he had no place in the next phase of media in this country (specifically new media) when he bowed out in 2014, so he's got that going for him.


He got into the cattle;

http://www.afr.com/real-estate/commerci ... 313-143476

So Jimmy are you expecting the club to go after a head recruiter after this trade period is over?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:37 am 
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This site continues to amaze me. It's as if memories are wiped clean every year and the same thing gets trotted out as it did a few years ago...and around and around we go. This is like a parody of a thread from 2012. A debate (of sorts) between those that think they know, those that are guessing, those that are gullible, those that are in denial, those that know (but the source can't be trusted) and those that are divorced from reality. If it wasn't so sad it'd be funny.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:42 am 
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So Jimmy are you expecting the club to go after a head recruiter after this trade period is over?

I don't know, I'm just not ruling it out as a possibility. The club can be loyal to Brodie if they really feel that it would be a costly exercise to engage the next-available option.

In a league where clubs seem regularly afraid to try outside the current paradigm until it's a success, I'd prefer us to promote from within, observe global trends and develop our own programs and techniques if we can't obtain substantial recruiting talent from Collingwood, GWS, Hawthorn and Port Adelaide, who I see as the innovators.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 10:57 am 
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Loyal to Brodie? Why?
See this is the problem
I see myself as a hammer and each ridiculous remark made as a nail....
Why would the club be loyal to Brodie ?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:13 am 
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It's incredible that you can pretend the other half of that sentence doesn't exist.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:13 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Nobody is going to put a ticket together.. Because the club has been bobby trapped.
That's the point.
It's not Harold Mitchell alone were talking about.
It's every top notch person around Melbourne who is capable
They're not touching it under the current circumstances for obvious reasons

The point is they're as apathetic as members not joining are apathetic

It's just that people don't see any value in it the way it is so they don't.

Smart people won't walk into a club that's set to explode if they go in by force?
They just find other things in life.
There's no mystery in that.. It's not shocking or anything like that.

Have you ever asked yourself why it's just these bozos on the board year in year out?
In all of Melbourne just these clowns working towards life membership for themselves?
Nobody better?
Just them?
Lol

Does the sound of the penny dropping ever hit home?


OK, so let's see.

- whoever these highly talented people are, they wouldn't be able to prevent the imminent 'explosion' you're talking about, because the only way they would see fit to enter the club is by exploding it themselves

- they're also apathetic enough that they'd rather watch the club implode than step in now and prevent further, presumably catastrophic, damage being inflicted on the club.

Sounds like the very way the current underperforming bunch got on to the board 8-10 years ago, no?

It's a very enticing picture you've painted. I can see the fervor for just giving them the keys and installing them without scrutiny from the members.

To be clear, don't mistake this comment as an mark of satisfaction with the current board, because I'm not satisfied. Who would be? All I'd like, before throwing open the doors to a new board, is the chance to know who are they are and hear how they'd right the ship. And then make a decision.

Until such time as they summon the courage allow the members to assess what they have to offer, I will hope the current board and administration stay true to the improvements I have seen over the last six months.

Considering Carlton's history, I would have thought anyone who wouldn't want a prospective new board and/or president to face some scrutiny prior to being installed would be the very definition of gullible. Or is that a silly thought?


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:48 am 
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Doesn't fit into their narrative Punter

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:55 am 
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You obviously have little insight to the Pratts and the mathiesons plus probably the Elliot's with how much influence they yield not just from themselves but also over so many other people.
Then there is the thing you must get your head around.Those camps have invested a shitload of cash and time to the club and they're not going to be happy if they're demonized by somebody else trying to get in and in their own minds they capitalize on the years and years of work and nobody they have contributed

Ego is something these people have by the bucket load and they're not used to being a failure. They are very stubborn about this exercise.
Now multiply the ego and stubbornness a thousand fold because it's a footy club and very front and square in public notice and media coverage.

What you have is a perfect storm for a completely broken club.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 11:58 am 
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Let's not call it a broken club let's be honest and call it a shattered club.
All the kings horses and all the kings men they couldn't bring this club together again...

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:11 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
You obviously have little insight to the Pratts and the mathiesons plus probably the Elliot's with how much influence they yield not just from themselves but also over so many other people.
Then there is the thing you must get your head around.Those camps have invested a shitload of cash and time to the club and they're not going to be happy if they're demonized by somebody else trying to get in and in their own minds they capitalize on the years and years of work and nobody they have contributed

Ego is something these people have by the bucket load and they're not used to being a failure. They are very stubborn about this exercise.
Now multiply the ego and stubbornness a thousand fold because it's a footy club and very front and square in public notice and media coverage.

What you have is a perfect storm for a completely broken club.


No, I probably don't. That said, I agree with you that this is an ego driven business and the current board would be reluctant to walk away, or even offer themselves up for any kind of feedback from members where consequences to their positions follow.

All the more reason, in my view, that such a process occur with a credible alternative put before the members.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:24 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Why would the club be loyal to Brodie ?


Because he discovered Hoops!


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:45 pm 
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I dunno what he's discovered.
I do know we're moving into our middle rounds of our 22 game rebuild.. So 23 to 44 without a head recruiter that we have headhunted and announced to the world.
So he will cozy into his job around the 45 to 66 game phase of our rebuild.
With most already done why bother?
Hilarious keystone cops stuff again!

Jimmy uses the logic we can do without him even though we headhunted him.. So why bother getting him on board if we don't need him?
That's the million dollar question....

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 12:49 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
You obviously have little insight to the Pratts and the mathiesons plus probably the Elliot's with how much influence they yield not just from themselves but also over so many other people.
Then there is the thing you must get your head around.Those camps have invested a shitload of cash and time to the club and they're not going to be happy if they're demonized by somebody else trying to get in and in their own minds they capitalize on the years and years of work and nobody they have contributed

Ego is something these people have by the bucket load and they're not used to being a failure. They are very stubborn about this exercise.
Now multiply the ego and stubbornness a thousand fold because it's a footy club and very front and square in public notice and media coverage.

What you have is a perfect storm for a completely broken club.


No, I probably don't. That said, I agree with you that this is an ego driven business and the current board would be reluctant to walk away, or even offer themselves up for any kind of feedback from members where consequences to their positions follow.

All the more reason, in my view, that such a process occur with a credible alternative put before the members.

Any alterative means they're going head to head with suicide bombers.
That's hardly the stuff smart people would do for something that's broken.

OK just an example
Pratt even though he detested Graham smorgon didn't go to eat with him
When Graham was brought down the power vacuum was filled.

That's how it works.
Richard would have won an election if he wanted to have a hand in terminating Graham.
Outside interests also play a huge role

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 1:35 pm 
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Reading your posts, it's as if no one has even addressed the same two recruitment concerns you've been putting forward, except they have.

Every thread you've ever regularly posted in needs its own locked summary thread where the best form of your argument is pitted against the best opposing form. You'd only manage about 4 lines in each one.

Anything wrong with giving someone else a go? Who knows, you might deliver some better received arguments, instead of selling paranoia to the paranoid.

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Not sure if I'm reading that right. Are you accusing someone else of posting too much Sheldon?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:02 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Reading your posts, it's as if no one has even addressed the same two recruitment concerns you've been putting forward, except they have.

Every thread you've ever regularly posted in needs its own locked summary thread where the best form of your argument is pitted against the best opposing form. You'd only manage about 4 lines in each one.

Anything wrong with giving someone else a go? Who knows, you might deliver some better received arguments, instead of selling paranoia to the paranoid.

Should I run things past you jimmy and get your nod off approval? Loll

Comment.. And when.. How many times?
Do you ever see me telling you, that you post too much even though I think much of it is garbage?
Are you wearing your moderator hat now and laying down the standards to which I must adhere to?
I think you're funny!
Lolz

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:11 pm 
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I think you're unravelling before everyone's eyes. No one wants to talk about this subject while we're both posting en masse mate.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:14 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
You obviously have little insight to the Pratts and the mathiesons plus probably the Elliot's with how much influence they yield not just from themselves but also over so many other people.
Then there is the thing you must get your head around.Those camps have invested a shitload of cash and time to the club and they're not going to be happy if they're demonized by somebody else trying to get in and in their own minds they capitalize on the years and years of work and nobody they have contributed

Ego is something these people have by the bucket load and they're not used to being a failure. They are very stubborn about this exercise.
Now multiply the ego and stubbornness a thousand fold because it's a footy club and very front and square in public notice and media coverage.

What you have is a perfect storm for a completely broken club.

Hence why they want to have a challenge, because they're losing their grip on power :sly:

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 19, 2015 2:22 pm 
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No they're not.
You think mathieson and pratts losing their grip on power to mark?
Really?

Lolz

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