Well it's supposedly two sets of part-time scouts, of which we had 21 around the country as of 2013 to go with 4 full-time recruiters and the head of recruitment.

Is it unreasonable to say we've got 30-35 part-time guys right now?

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We had more in 1989 - but I digress. You're right. That sounds reasonable. Now...who are they reporting to? I'm guessing it works the same in my line of work where essentially - I'm an advisor. I advise my director. She can choose to take my advice or ignore it. In part because she's the director. There's always a director.

Lol why hire him if it's OK?

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We've covered this a few times now, that they might just be comfortable with the current situation compared to what they are happy to shake loose from elsewhere.

No one's going to come in for a one-year contract, so you're essentially looking for someone superior to Brodie. How many are?


I'd suggest the responsibility ultimately falls on SOS, but they're a team, and they'll work as a team. They have enough eyes and ears to be incredibly thorough this year, both in terms of casting a wider net and in getting second and third opinions on more draftees.

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SOS has ultimate accountability whether there's a head recruiter or not, it's not that difficult to understand

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AFAIK that will actually shift once one is appointed.

SOS' responsibilities otherwise would entail collecting as much data for analysis on players on our list, in the league and in other competitions around the country to determine our short term, medium term and long term strategy for the list.

Bolton - current playing lists' development and performance
Head recruiter - talent ID and selection
McKay - contracts and overall operations
SOS - feeding intelligence to all of them to maximise value in contracts, draft selections and player selection (for the 22).

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Brodie has been suspended until December 1, 2016. So that's two years worth of drafts (drafts that will go a long way to deciding whether or not the club has any kind of on field future for the next 15 years, that we have a stand-in head recruiter).

I reckon that may have been worth figuring out who's next-best and thinking about a 3 year contract for them.

I found a small interview from SOS pretty telling, just a few days after the trade period. When asked about our picks in the upcoming draft, he said something akin to "We'll get some very good talent at 1, 8 and 11 (big pause) we'll get something good too at 19."

I know it's dangerous to imagine you know what's going on inside someone's head, but he sounded just like a guy who just sold a couple of picks at 20/21 for a single earlier pick because he has no faith (for whatever reason) that the club would be able to recruit effectively at early second round. I know nothing about drafting, but I reckon I could spend a couple of weeks researching and pick decently for us with an average likelihood of success at 1, 8 and 11.

You earn your money when you get to 19, 20, 21 etc.

I really hope Paul Brodie is very good. Because the club is making do without a head of recruitment for two years worth of drafting, seemingly just to get this guy. I actually hope he's the second coming of Christ, because the opportunity cost of getting this guy is astronomical.

You could give me a dozen reasons why this has occurred. But the bottom line is that a professional organization just wouldn't be in this situation. It all (again) comes back to the board. Our club is terribly led.

I don't see the big change that some others see. I see a continuum of all the behaviors that got us into this shit. I quite like Bolton's appointment, and it's obvious we've finally seen the need to rebuild. But these are total no-brainers. Even our board wouldn't have brought in a Worsfold and tried to top up for a flag tilt after last year. Well, Sticks may have but thankfully we exchanged possibly the least intellectually capable person to have ever run a VFL/AFL club for someone who could best be described as comfortably mediocre.

Harold Mitchell is the kind of person an underperforming board should not only be actively wooing, but willing to resign en-masse for, in order to facilitate the transition. If they could put their ego aside, which they clearly cannot.

Sad.

All true, but we as members get the Board we deserve.

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Why don't we just wait and see what happens hey!!!

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In the esteemed words of Bryce Gibbs esq....'yeah-nah'

I'd suggest if you have not seen change in the club's approach and intent, then you don't want to see it.

That is NOT a defence of the board or a belief that others couldn't do it better, or that the current board wasn't dragged to this point kicking and screaming. But to suggest there's been no change is simply wrong.

And while I don't know Harold Mitchell, posters on this board I respect are genuflecting at his altar so to me that's a tick for him and maybe he would have something to offer.

I'm finding it difficult to understand however, how some have (correctly) decried the club as a plaything of rich folk, how the club isn't about the members or fans and has lost its soul (also correct) - yet seemingly are desperate for the club to be handed to Harold Mitchell without him putting a ticket together and subjecting himself to the scrutiny of the members. Why shouldn't Mitchell subject himself to the bother of being elected by members? Seems eerily familiar, no?

So is the issue not that the club is the play thing of rich people, but that's it's not in the hands of your kind of rich person?

How does this suspension of Brodie work exactly?

Sure the AFL says he cannot be in a recruitment position - but whats to stop carlton sneakily obtaining his advice in regards to recruitment on the side?

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Nobody is going to put a ticket together.. Because the club has been bobby trapped.
That's the point.
It's not Harold Mitchell alone were talking about.
It's every top notch person around Melbourne who is capable
They're not touching it under the current circumstances for obvious reasons

The point is they're as apathetic as members not joining are apathetic

It's just that people don't see any value in it the way it is so they don't.

Smart people won't walk into a club that's set to explode if they go in by force?
They just find other things in life.
There's no mystery in that.. It's not shocking or anything like that.

Have you ever asked yourself why it's just these bozos on the board year in year out?
In all of Melbourne just these clowns working towards life membership for themselves?
Nobody better?
Just them?
Lol

Does the sound of the penny dropping ever hit home?

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Why bother circumventing the situation unless you're an idiot?
He might be a secret spotter undercover recruiting manager agent 55.
But that's not what a smart operation would me doing.
That's what a club that salary cap rotting in its history and a CEO that has a draft tampering record to his name might do.

It's not what a smart professional operation would be doing

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My guess is they are not touching it because if they fail, it impacts their reputation!

The Brodie suspension only came into the picture in the last 6 weeks, so it's not like we thought we had to have a 2-year plan (not three years, the period will encompass two drafts). Further to this, we don't actually know if the club will move on and hire someone else. Right now we're at the pointy end of their work schedule; no one's leaving any club for us. I know what you're all being told, but if the situation was so black and white then there'd still be people arguing the case leading into the next contract period. The presumption of fundamental incompetence looms large in all of these discussions, and I'm not buying into it.

The rest of that is just hyperbole and drama, save for suggesting Harold Mitchell, which personally scares the shit out of me. I don't want anyone involved with media acquisition in this country near our club. Globally we are a talent farm run by half-wits on behalf of global magnates who happily left the country to grown their businesses, and you guys want an ex-kingpin to lend his experience?

The endless hysteria of a select few who are convinced they know the only path forward is clearly eating away at everyone's mental state.

I will say one thing about Mitchell, he was clearly smart enough to know he had no place in the next phase of media in this country (specifically new media) when he bowed out in 2014, so he's got that going for him.

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