It's not a group who considered running.
It's one of the most powerful men in Australia with time on his hands but he wouldn't waste his energy the way the club is structured.
Barack Obama is hopeless. Mark with all his uselessness world be better.

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Would not be sneezing at what Harold's thoughts about this situation are...
But he would be a definite LIGHTWEIGHT compared to the people in this board with what he can bring to the table..
Lol

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I agree with TBB. This powerful man, with substantial time on his hands, should challenge the current board, or at least should have in recent times when the members were crying out for an alternative. Line up all the ducks and then make it happen. The lack of action so far shows a character flaw IMO.

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Not a character flaw at all.
I wouldn't call wisdom and logic a character flaw
I would call people who have been running the club into the ground over a long period of time saying.. " we know what we have to do.. Watch this time it will be great! Everything is most going fine.
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If you understand anything about the club it's on a hiding to nothing because people march along clinging to any speck of hope like it's life itself.
There is no hope with these idiotic people.
They need to let somebody else have a go and not interfere with them gaining power and then throw their love in with whoever that group is.
Just as they expect us to throw in our love with themselves.

It's simple! They don't have the answers to take us to anywhere near the position we used to be in.
Baby steps are hailed as triumphs today

Bottom feeders

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Everybody knows that the way things have been set up nothing short of a shit fight can mean a change

Once there's a shitfight somebody will get a black eye which also means in an industry of egos there will be people who will be bent out of shape and won't ever help the club.
The club will always run on a fraction of the cylinders instead of all cylinders.
These people not only have shown themselves to be hopeless but they have shored their ship of fools up.

So it's logical nobody can beach those walls and make the club united unless they realize they can't do it and move aside and allow others more skilled to take over.
Then throw their weight in behind the new team

Never going to happen

Just like they wouldn't for somebody new.
I don't for them.
My couple of hundred dollars.

They're just kneecapping the club

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So in summary: this powerful leader won't challenge due to the likely reputation hit and difficulties in running the board that would be sure to follow? That shows a bit of lack of commitment to the cause.

That criticism isn't based on defense of the current board either. If there are potentially great leaders out there who are just sitting on their hands waiting for leadership and board representation to be handed to them then I don't see anything progressing any time soon.

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By the way this powerful man is not talking only about himself
He's talking about the people who can arrest the slide as a team
He believes there are plenty of people with the skillset to run rings around this sickly pathetic sorry group of amateurs we have leading us. ( they're my words describing him not his but let's get into his head and also say it like we are really thinking)
But they won't because there are two really powerful business families who will get their noses out of joint on the board.
These two families are strong with connections and finances and influence even though they don't have a clue what's required.
Their role should be as muscle not brains.
Unfortunately they fancy themselves as brains.. Muscle along with everybody else.
It's a sorry state is affairs and won't get fixed in my opinion
If you drew a graph of the club plotting it's trajectory it's on a huge downward reverse spike and yet people clinging to hope clutch to even a serpent's tail.

They have destroyed what was once Australia's greatest sporting club.. But don't worry they now know what they need to do..
It's hilarious to see people falling for that


It doesn't even hurt me anymore.. It's a fascinating study into the human mind.. Hoping against all hope.. Wanting to believe that mark is going to shirtfront hawthorn collingwood eagles etc

The guy has very little intellectual awareness.


It's just zombie land

Pay your money up
Can you smell what we're cooking.!

Can't support zombie like behavior
Just look at the context and it tells the story.

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That says more about the understanding you have of the complexities and the position of the club than him.

I'll now explain it on short! These people are over the club and are OK with Gleeson sticks mark Lee and Clarke.
That's why you have them..

And yes you're right! They're not going to give you a shitfight st the top end of Collins street because the amateurs have chained themselves to the club and have their suicide vests on.

Smart people are well rounded.. They run businesses and charities..
Getting into a shit fight which blows up the club so you can get a woody probably is down the bucket list of things they can do

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Best thing people can do is encourage the board to move aside.
It's not like they didn't have a decent suck off the sauce bottle..

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So in essence, this person (and their potential team) are not at all likely to challenge. I understand the reasons for it. There's a big wide world, with big money to be made, outside of the Carlton Football Club, so I can understand people not wanting to volunteer themselves for a shitfight.

So what's the link to the 'rebels plotting a challenge'? None? Is this just an example you've provided to emphasise that the perception of the current board is that it is incompetent?

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Like your little Mate who "runs"aust post. Thats your credibility as a judge down the gurgler old sun.

The rebels are more or less the same as there ever was.. Their beef is they think mark is hopeless and he is.
Elements are also not sos fans.
Plus the other thing is there is personal ambition.
With the club continuing its freefall into irrelevance they know they can pick mark off next time.
Mark is what you call a classic dead man walking. He's been allowed to take the reigns for exactly this. When things go belly up with finances next year and whatever else he will be pointed out as the reason.
Considering he is telling everybody within earshot he is in control he actually can't defend himself.
Three years of multi million dollar losses before they think it will be stabilized means he's a dead duck.
Everybody knows it.
Except Mark that is.. Funny when you think he'd supposed to have brains...
After they take him out back chop off his fingertips pull out his teeth and empty two shotgun blasts to the face then throw him in the boot drive him into the desert and burn the car.. They will look for somebody new..
If they think the situation can go up it will be Craig mathieson.
If it's still a basket case and it will be.
They will give us a new face.. Mark will be blamed and Trigg might be moved on.. Maybe to gold coast with the afls blessing
We will use an agency to scour nation wide only to find the CEO from a big club with a superfluous and irrelevant CEO.
People will again think it's a new dawn but it's really the long sunset from the twilight zone.
And on we march

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Along with him came sayers who is not showing any start like qualities rising above the mediocre pack.
Because it's all about the culture.
Ahmed is capable of being head of Australia's great corporate entities and responsible to boards far bigger than the Carlton football club and shareholders.
Mark is a nobody in the circles fahour resides.

There's a reason for that..

There's also a reason why we have a lightweight board of muppets.
The club is being run by two people

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Oh when I say two people I really mean camps.. You can probably throw in one more camp..
They fight each other but they keep it very much a closed shop!
Ahmed wasn't popular lol
Sticks and mark were.

Do you ever ask yourself why?

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Anyway Cecil I see you have little understanding and get your info and your mind shaped by Carlton afl.com
I would call you aware.. And abreast of the goings on around the club.
Your knowledge of politics and big business is also see second to none and I'm learning much from you..
Thank you for your very very insightfulness.

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Any more questions Cecil? Or maybe gems
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If these people are unwilling to put their balls on the line at this point (understandable), and will only step in when the club is in further financial difficulty or when the current board steps aside, how am I to be convinced that these people are passionate enough and proactive enough to run the club, that is my query. I mean, they're not showing a willingness to get their hands dirty at this time.. If they're waiting for further financial difficulty are they merely wanting to present themselves as the white knight?

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I would suggest that this happened some time ago...this isn't something that happened recently. I doubt these people even go to the football anymore.

Probably about time to lock the thread and hope that the club bottoms out.

But everybody is expecting the club to get worse. That's why Mark is the man!
Marks not the man because he is a genius. He's the sacrificial goat.
They're hoping the club improves. But lets face it.. The clubs finances are about to be blown shy high!
They say if you talk to them that when were successful on the field the members will all be coming back.
But let me ask you when do you see serious success?
What game are we into a 66 name rebuild and what happens on the 67 th game.
The rebels don't have the answers either they're just another cog in the same wheel.
Just they might have a more savvy guy who might be s better front man to con members out of their money.
In the mean time let Mark do it... Till they can get a better handle on where were at.
There is no real challenge but everybody knows there is pressure on mark.. I reckon another 2.5 million dollar loss end a vote of no confidence will definitely be pushed forward.
The other thing that saves him as well as they know he's in more shit next year is he's only been on the job 18 months and he really needs longer to prove he's hopeless.

Don't get this rebel group mixed up with the person who said he isn't going to storm the citadel and nobody in their right mind will either..

They're not interested in making waves as I understand it..
It's either these people step aside or not..

The club is booby trapped for anybody that attempts that kind of stuff..

They will not take too kindly to anybody pushing them out.
They see themselves as the people who have saved the club

They do not see themselves as people who have gone as far as they can and should be passing the flame on.

People like fahour Sayers can have no real impact in the bubble

They try.. They're there to serve the club. Everybody is.. Just some love the life membership side of things more than asking themselves are they there for the right reasons?


There's an allergy to having an audit in the running of the football club from top to bottom.
They don't need it
.. They're going to fix it.
Yes improving is something every club has been doing.
Making ground on the leaders is the real marker

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Don't lock it! It serves to educate the people on what's going on and have a record for history so in future people know what happened
. who did it and why

Did it I mean the murder

Don't look at the raheen butler.


This club makes too many excuses as to why it's shit!
Blind eyes
Unaccountability
It's a killer!

The question is who are these people who make the decisions for the club?
Put your hand up if you think sticks ran the club alone?

That sticks alone contacted and rolled over swans contract three times.

Did sticks appoint himself unanimously six years straight until he was never heard of again?
That's right it wasn't anybody! Nobody was making decisions.
Ghosts of previous administrations!
These ghosts of previous administrators unmasked are the unaccountable ones.
A mostly herd of amateurish egotistical selfish people who just can't let go of the decision making.
In fact they shore themselves up.
The moat is bigger and as they are more and more in trouble they look more and more inwards.

All their traits emerge only magnified.


Why doesn't anybody go to war with them? Do you think the very smart Carlton people are apathetic to run this club so that were left with intellectual riff Raff?
No they're like us.. They're sick of them

God didn't pass an apathetic gene to Carlton supporter DNA! That's ridiculous

These people have just made this club too difficult for everybody

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