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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 8:25 pm 
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I have bought 3 memberships this year have you.


Why 3?

I think he is going to leave two of his personalities out they have already deserted the club.
But the one remaining personality ( the non apathetic one) has a couple of family members I'm guessing.

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2015 11:15 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
The Kick Inside wrote:
Teddy Hopkins wrote:
I have bought 3 memberships this year have you.


Why 3?

I think he is going to leave two of his personalities out they have already deserted the club.
But the one remaining personality ( the non apathetic one) has a couple of family members I'm guessing.

Unlike you I and my family actually support this club.



Love it or leave it.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 5:14 am 
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Problem with you is this.. No matter how much you support it Geoffrey is a much better supporter than you.
Mrs Pratt supports the club less than she used to but more than Legudice and others on the board.
And if none of us contributed funds some wretched Collingwood unemployed soul would be contributing unemployment benefits through the equalisation fund and be a supporter.

We all support in different ways.. I support the club but not the decision makers by exercising my right to withhold funds.
Which is something they themselves do to each other.
If you had a druggy kid do you think giving him money to buy ice is supporting him? Lol

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:13 am 
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Synbad wrote:
Problem with you is this.. No matter how much you support it Geoffrey is a much better supporter than you.
Mrs Pratt supports the club less than she used to but more than Legudice and others on the board.
And if none of us contributed funds some wretched Collingwood unemployed soul would be contributing unemployment benefits through the equalisation fund and be a supporter.

We all support in different ways.. I support the club but not the decision makers by exercising my right to withhold funds.
Which is something they themselves do to each other.
If you had a druggy kid do you think giving him money to buy ice is supporting him? Lol


You are using an analogy of the CFC and a druggy kid on ice now. Before that you say "I support the club ... by exercising my right to withhold funds."




You are the type of genius supporter that has us $2m in debt this year.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 8:21 am 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
You are the type of genius supporter that has us $2m in debt this year.


:lol: Oh dear...you purchased a few season tickets and you think you're a better 'supporter' than someone who doesn't?


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Let's stick to debating points or putting across p.o.v without playing the person please folks.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 11:35 am 
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london blue wrote:
Ok. Ok. Ok.

Enough we all get the message - regardless of who is right or wrong on this - the common ground for us all is that we have real issues.

We all recognise Mlg may never be the long term solution. However, wheels are turning ie we wanted change and we have had a significant amount of it.

Of course we have a long slog ahead of us. So why not accept the changes for now and let things unfold.

I suspect I'll get clobbered for not appreciating the depth of our issues. Maybe.

However, anyone with a genuine interest in the club would be stupid not to offer the current personnel - on and off the field - a chance....and do so with their full support.


I believe MLG is making good decisions with Trigg, or at least we are seen to be making the right decisons by righting the wrongs of the past.

The Club has problems LB, proven by a $2M loss, but we have to have a look at the reason(s) for the loss and whether we can plug that leak moving forward.

I believe we will not be paying out a coach $1M to piss off, nor will we have the negativity and division Malthouse that circled the Malthouse circus. He put off supporters and players. You can feel the hope we have with Bolton on Board and I believe this will be reflected by membership numbers in 2016. Furthermore with the changes in personnel for the better, we will be a more attractive product to go and watch.

Finally it has been made clear by Trigg we have to stop the dependency on our rich supporters and start building other revenue streams. Most important is the challenge of engaging supporters and converting them to members, and Im sure they know this.

We are the reigning wooden spooners. I expect us to rise from here. Our luck off field has to change for the better.

Im sure we have all learned huge lessons from the past 2 decades and this year's failed 'messiah' coach along with wooden spoon was the BIG wake up call.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:01 pm 
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bondiblue wrote:
Most important is the challenge of engaging supporters and converting them to members, and Im sure they know this.


Yes. They know about it. I have had this conversation with them. But it's one thing to 'know' about a problem and another to 'know how to fix it'.

And that's where the problem lies.

There is a real lack of knowledge about how to address problems. That's why Carlton needs the AFL's help. 12 months ago - I wondered whether or not either gentleman knew what CRM was. The response I got to my question was "we have IT guys working on that...well at least they should be working on that and it's an area that we recognise needs improvement."

That's not really good enough. I asked the same question to the Jacksonville Jaguars Marketing Manager just a month earlier and I got an in-depth response that mapped out the growth and future plans for this area. The same went for the Colorado Rapids and the Seattle Sounders in the MLS. Organisations smaller than Carlton.

Steven Trigg is a hard worker - he's passionate and he's an excellent communicator. But don't get caught up in the motherhood statements. Internally - we're struggling to attract real off-field talent and with each year that goes by, we're getting further behind.

I've had my ear to the ground for some time re: a board challenge, but there are just whispers around and never any firm plans. And I agree with the sentiment on here - don't give me a Kouta or Judd or even Fraser Brown unless I know they represent real change that can take the club forward. I just don't think there are many individuals on the current board or executive who are capable of running the club as a modern day sporting club needs to be run. They can try, and be seen to be trying - but I can't invest in something just because it's trying.

While it's imperative for the right people to be brought into the club - they currently can't do so without being part of a faction. I have great concerns for the future of the club.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:40 pm 
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What faction is Kate a member of?

I agree with so much of what you say. Maybe I'm more hopeful the regeneration can take place in a non factional manner, which Kate seems to represent.

And yeah if they think CRM is an IT driven exercise that is more than a little worrying.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 12:59 pm 
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No idea why the AFL don't underwrite a salesforce type product and via permissions allow seperate clubs to manage their own data.

I'm sure head office would like to use the same data in meaningful ways also.

But CRMs are only as good as the data you put in and the way you create the relationships so before that can even take place there needs to be a serious data cleanse for which I'm sure I read something about earlier this year in relation to the club.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:09 pm 
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Teddy Hopkins wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Problem with you is this.. No matter how much you support it Geoffrey is a much better supporter than you.
Mrs Pratt supports the club less than she used to but more than Legudice and others on the board.
And if none of us contributed funds some wretched Collingwood unemployed soul would be contributing unemployment benefits through the equalisation fund and be a supporter.

We all support in different ways.. I support the club but not the decision makers by exercising my right to withhold funds.
Which is something they themselves do to each other.
If you had a druggy kid do you think giving him money to buy ice is supporting him? Lol


You are using an analogy of the CFC and a druggy kid on ice now. Before that you say "I support the club ... by exercising my right to withhold funds."




You are the type of genius supporter that has us $2m in debt this year.

What's funny is it's not me that put us two million in the red
Will be at just five hundred k more.

It's them and that's why I don't give them money.
If you think it's me pay an extra one to cover my apathy etc

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:19 pm 
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Punter22 wrote:
What faction is Kate a member of?

I agree with so much of what you say. Maybe I'm more hopeful the regeneration can take place in a non factional manner, which Kate seems to represent.


As Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commissioner, Kate created the 'Male Champions of Change' earlier this year and in doing so garnered the support of influential male, corporate, government and community leaders to advance gender equality and place more women into leadership positions.

Among the group of 20 men are Luke Sayers, Ahmed Fahour and Gillon McLachlan who have fulfilled the MO within a few months. The aim being to achieve faster progress of women’s representation at senior levels. Tick!

As a part of the free kick it gets from government funding - the men must share their experiences, engage women and men within their organisations, commit to concrete actions, report on progress and share the outcomes they achieve.

My boss is one of these 20 men. It's a great initiative, but equally - it's a really big PR exercise for the organisations these men represent, and in some instances, run. I'm not saying Kate doesn't deserve to be on Carlton's board, although she has been afforded this opportunity by Mark LoGiudice - so if she had to vote tomorrow - she's not crossing the floor.

That's not to say that she won't be a part of a non-factional Carlton going forward, but those days seem a long way away.

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And yeah if they think CRM is an IT driven exercise that is more than a little worrying.


It's not all that's worrying. If you think this board is 'holding firm' with the AFL as they'd like you to believe - think again. They can't even negotiate for the AFL to chip in a cent for the major drainage overhaul required at Princes Park. According to the AFL - it comes under the maintenance requirements in place attached to the Melbourne City Council lease - despite the fact that the AFL schedule dozens of matches there every year.

I'm sure funds will be able to be guided in this direction via the AFL's future fund payment of which I am expecting a significant increase, but the club has its hands tied for quite a bit of stuff it would like to do (like replacing the undersized goalposts) due to lack of funds.

Millions of dollars on the board, millions of dollars in debt.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:37 pm 
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The Kick Inside wrote:
Punter22 wrote:
What faction is Kate a member of?

I agree with so much of what you say. Maybe I'm more hopeful the regeneration can take place in a non factional manner, which Kate seems to represent.


As Victorian Equal Opportunity and Human Rights Commissioner, Kate created the 'Male Champions of Change' earlier this year and in doing so garnered the support of influential male, corporate, government and community leaders to advance gender equality and place more women into leadership positions.

Among the group of 20 men are Luke Sayers, Ahmed Fahour and Gillon McLachlan who have fulfilled the MO within a few months. The aim being to achieve faster progress of women’s representation at senior levels. Tick!

As a part of the free kick it gets from government funding - the men must share their experiences, engage women and men within their organisations, commit to concrete actions, report on progress and share the outcomes they achieve.

My boss is one of these 20 men. It's a great initiative, but equally - it's a really big PR exercise for the organisations these men represent, and in some instances, run. I'm not saying Kate doesn't deserve to be on Carlton's board, although she has been afforded this opportunity by Mark LoGiudice - so if she had to vote tomorrow - she's not crossing the floor.

That's not to say that she won't be a part of a non-factional Carlton going forward, but those days seem a long way away.

Punter22 wrote:
And yeah if they think CRM is an IT driven exercise that is more than a little worrying.


It's not all that's worrying. If you think this board is 'holding firm' with the AFL as they'd like you to believe - think again. They can't even negotiate for the AFL to chip in a cent for the major drainage overhaul required at Princes Park. According to the AFL - it comes under the maintenance requirements in place attached to the Melbourne City Council lease - despite the fact that the AFL schedule dozens of matches there every year.

I'm sure funds will be able to be guided in this direction via the AFL's future fund payment of which I am expecting a significant increase, but the club has its hands tied for quite a bit of stuff it would like to do (like replacing the undersized goalposts) due to lack of funds.

Millions of dollars on the board, millions of dollars in debt.


Thanks for the insight on Kate's appointment, TKI. Much appreciated.


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How much are goalposts seriously? I'll pay for the @#$%&! things. Or even get George Tahan to pay for them. It is Ikon Park after all.

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So, the nominations committee doing its job. Nice to see...

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:20 pm 
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teagueyubeauty wrote:
So, the nominations committee doing its job. Nice to see...

Lol

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How much are goalposts seriously? I'll pay for the @#$%&! things. Or even get George Tahan to pay for them. It is Ikon Park after all.


A lot apparently. You know how I like to sell these things...I had pitched the idea to Trigger and LoGiudice that the club could load the existing posts on the back of a truck and drive them up to a struggling club during their community camp and at one end of the ground we have a group of past-Premiership players and at the other we have some current players...and with a foreman assisting at both ends we have a race to see who can put them into the ground the quickest.

CEO (with sleeves rolled-up) gets on camera and says Carlton is going the extra mile with its community partnerships and shines a light on how struggling, grassroots, country football clubs are the life blood of small communities and other clubs should be doing more.

You hit the corporate social responsibility target and give the bird to the other clubs at the same time.

Anyway - I thought the idea had merit, but judging by the look in their eyes they were having visions of renting the woodchipper from Fargo and using the mulch from the goalposts on their half-acre block gardens. At which point I was having visions of using the woodchipper for more practical purposes.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 16, 2015 2:34 pm 
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Haha. Sad state of affairs. We are so far from innovative it's truly scary.

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Maybe we could find a grassroots club that will donate their old goalposts to us?

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So to summarise this thread, we have a lot of burnt toast on our board.


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