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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:06 am 
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Tap - remember in that scene from Ferris Bueller when Charlie Sheen's character says to Jeanie 'You oughta spend a little more time dealing with yourself, a little less time worrying about what your brother does.'

I think that applies here.

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Forget what the other clubs are doing, forget the Commission's equalization incompetence and focus on what Carlton can do. There's probably little point looking backward. Look forward. Carlton has to accept the AFL's involvement but they can make it work for themselves. They have to have a good plan. That's the space North are in now. It mightn't work but at least there's a plan.

Just like Ferris. His plan never would have worked out if he hadn't planned extensively beforehand.

If you want something, plan it. It's very hard to achieve success without a vision. If you’re one-step ahead of everyone around you, the likelihood of failure diminishes significantly.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:12 am 
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That doesn't solve their revenue issues Doc. They're going to have to start creating content, goods and services that they can charge for, and set aside capital for commercial and financial investment.

No amount of free advice is going to solve all of their problems. It's not dire, they just need to look around at what other clubs are doing in the AFL, globally and then make their own strategy. I think that's already begun with the branding of 'Carlton Media' on all new footage coming in.


I agree with most of this Jim - but there's a stubborn reluctance to do things differently at Carlton. Revenue is a major concern. I would argue it's pretty close to 'dire'. Projections wouldn't be great. Is Carlton too proud to rattle tins?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:18 am 
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I'm having some of what Trigg is having. We are diversifying so much. In days of yore, we just approached Pratt and Matthison. Those days are long gone, now we approach 100 people :roll:

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 11:19 am 
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That doesn't solve their revenue issues Doc. They're going to have to start creating content, goods and services that they can charge for, and set aside capital for commercial and financial investment.

No amount of free advice is going to solve all of their problems. It's not dire, they just need to look around at what other clubs are doing in the AFL, globally and then make their own strategy. I think that's already begun with the branding of 'Carlton Media' on all new footage coming in.

Who is this "Doc" you speak of?

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:03 pm 
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The financial position of the club is a massive concern. Prior to refinancing to WBC, we were in NAB's 'emergency department'. With the revenue and cashflow concerns, I dare say we are heading down a similar path at WBC. As The Kick Inside mentioned, forward projections wouldn't be flash either. The guarantee from the AFL provides some comfort to financiers however the ongoing viability of the club is a serious problem.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:04 pm 
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It's all come to rise this year, thanks CFC board :thumbsup:

As for the CareerOne thing, while the logo looks a bit tacky on the jumper, I like the idea of the club associating with a national recruiter that could expose the club to lots of young'uns.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:11 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
As for the CareerOne thing, while the logo looks a bit tacky on the jumper, I like the idea of the club associating with a national recruiter that could expose the club to lots of young'uns.


Serious question - do people still use CareerOne?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:14 pm 
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Yep, although admittedly SEEK probably would've been a better option.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:18 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Yep, although admittedly SEEK probably would've been a better option.


Well...yes! (Although not likely with co-founder Paul Bassatt sitting on the AFL Commission and being a big St.Kilda fan).


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:23 pm 
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Trigg is pissing in the wind.

He knows the small exclusive/elite ownership routine at Carlton is a thing of the past but they're who he answers to. He can't sell inclusiveness while the club operates exclusively.

The knuckleheads in the boardroom who live with their heads up their arses don't realise a strong club needs to be genuinely inclusive.

The 80's and 90's are gone... a small exclusive group can't do it on their own anymore.

They're full of shit and people are awake to it.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:28 pm 
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I don't give a rats about sponsors logos.

Agree, this is the least of our worries.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:34 pm 
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tap in 79 wrote:
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Trigg told the group the club needed help to reduce its debt "or we will have to hand the keys over to the AFL".

I thought they already had handed over the keys?


'Handing over the keys' would be akin to what North did some years ago. See this from 2012.

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=18752&p=1235551&hilit=North+Melbourne#p1235551

You're essentially not in control of your business and strategic plan. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing...it's when the AFL leave you to run their model when they walk away that you're potentially in dire straits. For North - that begins pretty soon.


The AFL will not let North fend for itself. Funding will not stop. The AFL will ensure that North get a sweet deal in Hobart after next year when it expires. They will hold the meeting in Tasy, try and attract business interest, throw their weight around etc. The AFL media attention given to their "blockbuster" with Richmond in Hobart is a clear indication of the AFL's priorities. When the draw came out one of the leading attractions of the new draw was "North's" blockbuster. Look at the games North has "attracted" this year to Tasy (with no help from the AFL of course.. :cool:

Carlton, meanwhile, funnels money into helping clubs such as North with "equalisation". Carlton is in NO position to be handing money over to the AFL for their "equalisation" aims.

The AFL want to follow the Hawthorn model with Tasy with North. It is clear. Anything else is diversion.

http://www.themercury.com.au/sport/kang ... 7586504754

This is what irks me. We are handing over money so clubs such as North and the WB benefit from us. It is a joke and has to stop.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:37 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
They're full of shit and people are awake to it.


Awake, but largely apathetic.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 12:46 pm 
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You could hear the sense of exasperation in Triggs voice this morning.

Would not surprise me if he's already starting to think about his next career move...


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:08 pm 
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For mine, I maintain that Trigg gets it. The unknown is whether he will be allowed to fully execute and if that will ultimately restore us to a true power.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:11 pm 
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The Kick Inside wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
As for the CareerOne thing, while the logo looks a bit tacky on the jumper, I like the idea of the club associating with a national recruiter that could expose the club to lots of young'uns.


Serious question - do people still use CareerOne?

Not much. It's Seek, and then daylight.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:37 pm 
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The Kick Inside wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
As for the CareerOne thing, while the logo looks a bit tacky on the jumper, I like the idea of the club associating with a national recruiter that could expose the club to lots of young'uns.


Serious question - do people still use CareerOne?


They are probably good fit since they are a former heavyweight that has fallen away and now seems irrelevant ! They seem to run a lot of good competitions as marketing activities but never seem to find good job matches. If I was looking for staff my money would be headed to Seek or LinkedIn.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:50 pm 
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kezza wrote:
This is what irks me. We are handing over money so clubs such as North and the WB benefit from us. It is a joke and has to stop.


You're talking about a quarter of a million dollars. What about the other million +...or doesn't that concern you?


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:58 pm 
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sustained mediocrity on the field is a financial killer

this ain't simply about poor financial management

with four wooden spoons and continual poor performance on the field we have no chance of rectifying the ship without AFL assistance

I would hazard a guess that Hawthorn or Collingwood would also struggle financially if they had produced on the field what we have over the last 15 years

there are obviously other problems but let's hope this list rebuild is the start of our re-emergence

if all goes well hopefully our support base is still there and come out of the woodwork to make us stronger financially ala Richmond


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 11, 2015 2:21 pm 
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I wonder how comfortably Kate Jenkins is sitting in her seat today after this announcement
Would love to also know how strong her support is for our Pokie Revenue


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