Andrew Moore please..
People who think that,
Lamb, Plowman, Philips, Sumner and Kerridge are no good?? What the @#$%&! would you know???
These guys are no good.. I've seen them play blah blah blah
Give them a good then comment
In SOS I trust

We will not be going after Grimley.

Do you we have an intereste in Moore ? or will they continue to pursue Brad Mckenzie?

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No idea. I just know Bolton doesn't even want Grimley at the NBs.

I have heard also next years draft is light on for KPP talent whereas this years draft is good for talls,so arguably you do go for talls this year. It's not like we are going anywhere soon so might as well take talls now as part of the long term rebuild strategy.

In saying that I also worry about the really tall 200cm ones. There's an inherent risk with them. But then isn't Mckays bro also rated very highly. I think the chap from SEn has both Mckays in the top dozen or so. if you want to load up on talls it is not inconceivable you go :

1 Weitering
8 Burton - not super tall but plays tall
11 Collins
19 (the other) McKay

Suddenly you have :

Weitering
Burton
Collins
McKay
Jaksch
Plowman
Casboult

In saying that it seems pretty crazy to not take at least one mid early. But then I am not sure I like too many of them to be honest. I like Balic, Milera and Oliver, and Gresham is good but small. Have to say part of me thanks going talls isn't such a bad idea.

For 2016 i like Petrevski-Seton and Ainsworth. They're two small types. But they are your real elite talent. The latter will be a star small forward. The former is electric and not only is good moving through traffic but also makes the right decisions. I seriously rate him very highly. He's like Yarran but ten times better at the same age IMO.

Don't go all 2010 and draft talls out of need. They turned out so well.

100% agree. Need to go best available. Dont want another Mathew Watson situation

I think Paddycripps' point is we should be drafting KPs to their availability this year. The fact the we also desperately need KPs is incidental

We need another big bodied mid at 8 or 11. To me that's Matheison or Oliver.

We don't need that many talls all at once unless they're good value.

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Please no more delistees. How many delisted players become stars at their new clubs? I am happy with the 4 for one deal because it was pick 28, likely at least one or two of the GWS boys will be better than that. I have reasonable hopes for Plowman and Sumner and Phillips in his highlights took 3 contested marks, that's three up on Robbie Warnock and looks like a handy developing ruck. GWS are different to other clubs with a mass of players around 21 / 22 and a need to cut their list, make salary cap room, introduce some experience as they look to finals. I think the GWS boys at Carllton have much better chance of success than most delistees or late swaps.

But now we need to nail the draft with every pick, we need a draft like the Hawks in 2004, or Geelong in the late 90s. And if taking a guy from the VFL or who has been delisted, then we need to be sure they are better than the guys we are delisting. I would rather see Armfield and White on our list for character, example, toughness and enough ability to get a regular game in the side we currently are then replace them with someone who offers nothing more than them. We need some strength and toughness if most of our side are under 22, and White and Armfield give us that.

We certainly need to nail at least three of of our top 4 picks this year - as there isn't too much of the farm left to sell off in next years trade period.

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I could foresee a move to move Bryce Gibbs.

Andrew Moore should be a real consideration
We need more midfield talent can also kick goals
Maybe it was that game at Etihad a few years ago where. I think he played forward against us and kicked 3 or 4 goals

In 2013, in Murph's 150th, Murph kicked 3 goals on Moore - if that's the game you're thinking about

No think it was earlier than that Em
Think Moore was playing CHF at that stage

Another perspective ... sounds like a Carlton Hater to me.

http://www.theroar.com.au/2015/10/22/ca ... _discussed

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He's had the talent and the fitness for some time, so I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that he's something of a head case. Port's midfield has its strengths, but they could easily use someone of his talents if he was able to produce.

If he's the best we can get out of the PSD (I think McKenzie is myself) then we should probably just use a pick in the national draft and take a guy from state level, or a kid we fancied at the top of the rookie pool (because we'd be odds on to keep them around for two years anyway, and the cut wouldn't hurt our TPP that much in 2017).

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20 ways to see the world,
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Hope he's a better economist than he is an analyst

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

So how many need to go? Assuming we want to upgrade both Irishmen (unless there are long term injury concerns I'd say we would) and to pick up Son of Son of Serge (lynch mob if they didn't) that locks away 59,60 and 113 even assuming we don't need to pay more to outbid someone for SoSoS. We clearly would want to use the four early picks and keep 1 in reserve you would think for PSD in case someone good is there, and in any event gives us a pick before the rookie draft. So I think the structure is 38 main list plus 6 rookies plus Korchek outside the list. If that is right we need to cut back to 30 on the main list to add 7 ie 1 (Weitering), 8, 11,19, 59 (SoSoS), the 2 Irish rookie upgrades plus a PSD spot - perhaps only to 31 if we don't see any good in the PSD which I doubt. At the moment we have 34, so 4 must go. There are only 4 who do not have contracts past this year - Armfield, Holman, Warnock and White - and so the easy call might be to delist those 4, but of them all except perhaps Warnock have arguments to be kept. Armfield has pace, guts and versatlity and injury aside had a very good season. Holman shows a bit. White is versatile and a goer. Warnock has rare height that might be needed against some opposition, as well as the need to have cover for injury to ruckmen. The alternative is to bite the bullet and pay out one or more contracts. It seems we have salary cap room, but it would be a bit of a waste. If we were looking at this we would prabably look at guys contracted for 1 more season only. That includes Simpson, Buckley, Boekhorst, Rowe, Graham, Everitt, Casboult and Tuohy all of whom I see for various reasons as being safe. That leave 6 candidates - 3 young'uns and 3 more mature. The young'uns are DVR, Foster (both who look well off league level yet but would you think we given time) and Smith who has played seniors in his first year and also you think would be given time. That leaves the senior or more senior campaigners Dick, Tutt and Whiley all of whom have played seniors this year but all of whom I think are well behind others in the pecking order. But would the club be prepared to admit their mistakes with recruiting these guys in the first place?. And perhaps we need there more mature bodies in the short term. Of course if the club was willing to admit recruiting failures they could look at cutting Liam Jones even though he has 2 years left on his contract. Could any of these guys be moved over to the rookie list? I read somewhere a suggestion that this could be done with Jones, if so it could probably be done with any of them - maybe Foster and DVR who are longer term projects and Clam as nominated rookie?

My brain hurts - I wish I didn't rate Armfield and White, then it would be much easier.