GWS gave up 7 (1644 points) & Bugg for 10 & 43 (1773); 21 & 22 would have trumped that (1790). That pick 43 will be consumed long before it has a chance to jump up the order 10 spots, but they've chanced their arm with that I guess. Perhaps this is the loophole they were talking about?

We missed out then, and didn't get enough back from the Dogs. For some reason we wanted to jump up the order badly.

We made what reads like an emotional (or at least last minute) decision, don't kid yourself out of that.

_________________
29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

maybe GWS preferred to lose another player of their list... ?

Weideman & Curnow will not be there at 11; Burton might be, if Adelaide don't pull the trigger at 9.

I agree, our talls aren't great or plentiful at the moment...

I think I have 14 by my count, with 1 or 2 a chance to still be delisted. I'm not sure it's as high as 17.

For reference, Hawthorn had 11 this year.[/quote]
Everitt
Rowe
Jackst
Docherty
Thomas
Wiley
Jones
Tutt
Warnock
Wood
Kerridge
Plowman
Sumner
Lamb
Phillips
Dick
16 sorry I was one out

_________________
If you allow the Government to change the Laws in an emergency
They will create an Emergency to change the Laws

So how would next year's draft compare for kpf? Do we stock up this year and bring mids in next year?

_________________
WADA medical director Dr Alan Vernec describes Essendon* FC drug case as biggest scandal in team sport the world of sport has seen. #WC2WB

#GUILTY

Every club now knows that SOS will blink. Won't help us next year. If only we had Dodo.

Pick 5 for a junkie scum bag who can't be flower.

We really need a forward in this draft:

Everit, Jones, Thomas
Sumner, Casbolt, Tutt

might not cut it.

_________________
It is not as bad as you are lead to believe.......it is %$#^& worse!!!

I hate to say it and look like one of the people that will be accused of hitting the panic button but it seems that whoever is in charge of list management hasn't learned from the past couple of years. Once again they get rid of a whole swathe of experienced players, including most of our forward line. Admittedly some like Henderson didn't want to be there. Instead they try to refill the gaps in the side with players who have very little experience. Is this so they can for yet another year hide behind the excuse that the club is rebuilding when just like for the last couple of years success becomes yet another distant memory. I know you need to get rid of the dead wood from the club but when you keep ripping the experienced players out of the side how can you possibly be competitive when you keep trying to field side with more and more inexperienced players who have not proven themselves.

We dont know that. In any event, Its refreshing to see a list manager not taking the easy option but trying to be innovative instead.
I cannot blame SOS for having the balls to try and get a deal done.
Embrace change. Its for the better. We have 3 picks in the first 15. I cannot remember that since the Luke Livingstone/ Trent Sporn days.
Lets just hope we use pick 11 a little better this time around (something im confident we will do).

I disagree - I feel vry optimistic about this.

We completely rebuild by gutting the team of a few mid rank players that did not show the leadership required when the sh hit the fan, barring Bell.

We get 4 top 20 picks and work from there. It's a rebuild, fst forwarded as fast as we can.

_________________
Formerly: Ackland the Wonderkid / Army the Wonderkid / quivering mess / molsey / Tony Lynn Fan Club

What experienced players did we get rid of that we should have kept? Henderson was gone, Yarran was gone and Bell had to go for his own reasons. Menzel - who has huge potential but little experience and plenty of risk was the only subjective trade - i guess we have 5 players to assess before we know how well that one works.

With a 5 for 1 trade, late draft picks are not important so even if 20/21 for 11 doesn't appear to stack up on face value, if you only need 4 live picks 1,8,11,19 is so much better than what we started the trade period with.

For what it's worth, afl.com gave us a 'B' on our efforts.

_________________
Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

You can't lose what you never had

Those 3 were cancers...they had to go (but we should never have blinked on Yarran...low point of the trade period)

Yarran had one good year...there were intensity issues with him from day 1

Menzel apparently passed a medical with Adelaide...but how long before the Adel fans claim he's 'playing injured'

And Henderson...look at Dangerfield who left nothing on the park until the last game. You are a disgrace...you switched off back in April.

_________________
If I want your opinion, I'll give it to you!

Yarran: two top 10 B&Fs in 7 years:

http://www.blueseum.org/tiki-index.php? ... A+C+Yarran

FtB

_________________
Check out www.blueseum.org for all of your Carlton information needs.

They could have done a separate deal for Bugg...

The point is, picks 20 & 21 for pick 7 was better for GWS (points wise), and us (7 instead of 11)

You're living in la la land if u think Jones and Tutt are in our best 22.

This x 100000000. Quite simply, despite some flashes of brilliance, Yarran was not in our top 10. Nor was he disciplined or consistently injury-free...

There will be talent at 19. We just need to identify it.

_________________
O say does that star spangled banner yet wave.

Agreed. We swept out players who were playing in the VFL at the bottom club. Playing in the VFL after Malthouse got the ass so that clearly wasn't the problem.
Best thing that could happen to the club. A clean sweep out of all the players and coaches who have not helped the club progress at all.
No room for hoarding the rubbish. Fresh start.

I'd like to know the last time we were well stocked for talls in both quality and quantity....1995?

For one, I'm OK with the draft:
- Yarran: Didn't want to be with us (gone... rather pick 12 but will take pick 19 just to get rid of the laziness)
- Menzel: Skilled but let's face it he will get a knee (or 2 or 3) in the next couple of yeras (but I do not wish this on the lad, I do wish him the best);
- Henderson: He broke my heart... can't say more than that but happy with a pick 8 which means he's worth more than Dangerfield;
- Bell: Carlton did the right thing again (at least Bris treated us with respect unlike Adelaide with Sauce!!)

I don't know about the "new" guys but I'd rather have men that want to play for us than people that don't bleed blue. To be frank, whilst I'm terrified about our forward line next year I'll just say (3 out of 6):

- Casboult: best contested grab in the league;
- Buckley: superstar (mark my words);
- Jones: (don't shoot me)... will come on and this will work... (C'mon Coach Bolton... bring out the best in your pupils);

Have faith people, there is now a clear path ahead and there is only one way from here... UP!! eventually!

you had me up until Jones