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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 3:28 pm 
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Are we there yet.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 4:23 pm 
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Wouldn't be surprised if we target Tomlison next year.
He will be out of contract next year
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I'd trade up our picks if I could this year to GWS.

pick 1, 8 12 into the draft this year and
Pick 2, 15 and maybe 17 for Casboult next year.
That's a lot of elite talent there: 6 of them...better than Tomlison, Carlisle, Aish, Lennon and as good if not better than Treloar in a few years.


According to The Age, he is contracted for two more years...


Damn!!! I saw that too.

Is Tomlison > Weideman if he's available at the pick we could use on Tomlison?????

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 6:33 pm 
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That's the $64,000 question. Weideman certainly 'reads' better in one respect. Tomlinson is not really a power forward or a noted goal kicker.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:07 pm 
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There's got to be something brewing more than meets the eye.
A lot of things just aren't making sense.
Trading Menz for unders.
Stocking up on 2nd Rnd picks.

Something's up for sure....

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:13 pm 
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Not understanding the science behind pick point value and how these are accumulated for academy picks, maybe someone at Carlton (probably SOS) with his inner GWS build knowledge, has worked something out that no other team has. Something that gives GWS what it needs wrt academy talent, gives Carlton a suite of first and early second rounders, and pisses the AFL off again for being outsmarted by wascally Carlton workarounds that force it to change drafting rules.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:22 pm 
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BoundaryRider wrote:
Not understanding the science behind pick point value and how these are accumulated for academy picks, maybe someone at Carlton (probably SOS) with his inner GWS build knowledge, has worked something out that no other team has. Something that gives GWS what it needs wrt academy talent, gives Carlton a suite of first and early second rounders, and pisses the AFL off again for being outsmarted by wascally Carlton workarounds that force it to change drafting rules.



That would be nice!


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:24 pm 
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BoundaryRider wrote:
Not understanding the science behind pick point value and how these are accumulated for academy picks, maybe someone at Carlton (probably SOS) with his inner GWS build knowledge, has worked something out that no other team has. Something that gives GWS what it needs wrt academy talent, gives Carlton a suite of first and early second rounders, and pisses the AFL off again for being outsmarted by wascally Carlton workarounds that force it to change drafting rules.

Then we'd be penalised by the AFL on the back of their made-up rules and blanket "Carlton cheating again" meedya coverage, and have to watch all our draft picks for this year and next disappear.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:27 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
BoundaryRider wrote:
Not understanding the science behind pick point value and how these are accumulated for academy picks, maybe someone at Carlton (probably SOS) with his inner GWS build knowledge, has worked something out that no other team has. Something that gives GWS what it needs wrt academy talent, gives Carlton a suite of first and early second rounders, and pisses the AFL off again for being outsmarted by wascally Carlton workarounds that force it to change drafting rules.

Then we'd be penalised by the AFL on the back of their made-up rules and blanket "Carlton cheating again" meedya coverage, and have to watch all our draft picks for this year and next disappear.

Yeah shame our cap is at 100% and we can't trade out pick 1 now before we get caught! Should have done so in 2002. :roll:

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:31 pm 
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Blue Bell wrote:
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BoundaryRider wrote:
Not understanding the science behind pick point value and how these are accumulated for academy picks, maybe someone at Carlton (probably SOS) with his inner GWS build knowledge, has worked something out that no other team has. Something that gives GWS what it needs wrt academy talent, gives Carlton a suite of first and early second rounders, and pisses the AFL off again for being outsmarted by wascally Carlton workarounds that force it to change drafting rules.

Then we'd be penalised by the AFL on the back of their made-up rules and blanket "Carlton cheating again" meedya coverage, and have to watch all our draft picks for this year and next disappear.

Yeah shame our cap is at 100% and we can't trade out pick 1 now before we get caught! Should have done so in 2002. :roll:


The AFL has to sign off on any trades and probably has someone doing it without blinking, given the record to date. After that we declare UNO, bingo and checkmate.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 7:35 pm 
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BoundaryRider wrote:
Blue Bell wrote:
Donstuie wrote:
BoundaryRider wrote:
Not understanding the science behind pick point value and how these are accumulated for academy picks, maybe someone at Carlton (probably SOS) with his inner GWS build knowledge, has worked something out that no other team has. Something that gives GWS what it needs wrt academy talent, gives Carlton a suite of first and early second rounders, and pisses the AFL off again for being outsmarted by wascally Carlton workarounds that force it to change drafting rules.

Then we'd be penalised by the AFL on the back of their made-up rules and blanket "Carlton cheating again" meedya coverage, and have to watch all our draft picks for this year and next disappear.

Yeah shame our cap is at 100% and we can't trade out pick 1 now before we get caught! Should have done so in 2002. :roll:


The AFL has to sign off on any trades and probably has someone doing it without blinking, given the record to date. After that we declare UNO, bingo and checkmate.

Shame. We're not breaking any rules as far as I'm aware of.

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Of course we're not, until the AFL makes some up and retroactively penalises us for breaking them.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:03 pm 
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Donstuie wrote:
Of course we're not, until the AFL makes some up and retroactively penalises us for breaking them.


You'll know about it when Eddie Maguire's face turns tomato red and he starts one of his usual rants (eg. Swans cost of living allowance), which then the AFL finally responds to, even though they created the friggin rules in the first place. Either way, if SOS has found a legit hole, exploit it for all it's worth.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:07 pm 
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IIRC, the AFL has already declared they won't sign off on any straight pick swaps where the difference between the two points totals exceeds 500; that's about pick 36 if you want a single-pick comparison.

They'll also scrutinise any Veale deal kind of scenario heavily. You might see it as equalisation on the fly, but it's honestly for the best.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:36 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
IIRC, the AFL has already declared they won't sign off on any straight pick swaps where the difference between the two points totals exceeds 500; that's about pick 36 if you want a single-pick comparison.

They'll also scrutinise any Veale deal kind of scenario heavily. You might see it as equalisation on the fly, but it's honestly for the best.

Is this why we need a certain combination to have a hope of getting pick 8?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:38 pm 
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hmmmmmm.

Not liking this. Menzel is a 1st round talent who's battled a few injuries but is worth way more than a pick 28. Kerridge might be good player but the simple fact is he is not getting a game at AFL level.

It's essentially Menzel and Pick 28 for 5 youngish players that aren't getting games at their respective clubs.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 8:46 pm 
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ryan2000 wrote:
hmmmmmm.

Not liking this. Menzel is a 1st round talent who's battled a few injuries but is worth way more than a pick 28. Kerridge might be good player but the simple fact is he is not getting a game at AFL level.

It's essentially Menzel and Pick 28 for 5 youngish players that aren't getting games at their respective clubs.


Yep it sounds like the 2003 trade period all over again.

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ryan2000 wrote:
hmmmmmm.

Not liking this. Menzel is a 1st round talent who's battled a few injuries but is worth way more than a pick 28. Kerridge might be good player but the simple fact is he is not getting a game at AFL level.

It's essentially Menzel and Pick 28 for 5 youngish players that aren't getting games at their respective clubs.


I don't get this argument.

There are plenty of clubs that Menzel would struggle to get a game at. He's got a stack of talent but he doesn't hurt the opposition and he can't run out a half let alone a full game.

GWS and Adelaide's 20th to 30th players are probably better than our 10th to 20th and given a good shot at senior football and some decent development there are a number in there who could be top 10 at Carlton within a couple of years. Hopefully Silvagni knows which ones.

Our list is really not very good and it's time to cull the @#$%&! sooky la las who don't give 100%.

Either Menzel's body is physically not up to the rigours of senior footy or he's not been putting in 100% for three years now.

I'm happy to wait for Thursday at 2pm to make a real call but I'm liking what I'm seeing at the moment.

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hmmmmmm.

Not liking this. Menzel is a 1st round talent who's battled a few injuries but is worth way more than a pick 28. Kerridge might be good player but the simple fact is he is not getting a game at AFL level.

It's essentially Menzel and Pick 28 for 5 youngish players that aren't getting games at their respective clubs.


Yep it sounds like the 2003 trade period all over again.


It sounds like 2014 period all over again with a 3 year deal to Liam Jones, a player dominating at VFL level but can't break into the team............ ala Kerridge!

It's madness.

Hell - he might be a decent player, Who knows, and i certainly haven't seen him, but why a 3 year deal and involve Menzel??

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 9:14 pm 
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Would a swap of the 1st rounder we got for Henderson (next year) for GWS pick 8 be one to pitch?


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Would a swap of the 1st rounder we got for Henderson (next year) for GWS pick 8 be one to pitch?

And why would GWS take that?

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