Bondi if we bring in Tomlinson, Grimley (FA), Plowman, Weitering and another KPF at pick 20 or one of the picks we get for Yarran, Bell or maybe Casboult, would that be a bad return?

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The fact other clubs aren't chasing says alot

How do you know they're not?

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I would be absolutely ecstatic...despite not knowing much about Grimley, and if there will be one available around pick 20

jimmae, anything is possible, but we have had a wretched run of luck (with decision making) over the last 15 years. Other than Judd and the luck of landing, Hendo (thanks Fev), Docherty and Everitt...and maybe Jaksch there hasn't been much from the draft other than Cripps and thankfully Simpson (with pick 45). 15 years!

We need to sort out the spine over the next 3 years plus replace Simpson Walker, let alone Betts Judd and Yarran

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If Phillips was coming out of contract he'd be getting delisted and plenty of clubs would be circling with a two-year contract.

I hope we don't get him, but recognise that the only way we're acquiring him is as filler in a Plowman/Sumner/Tomlinson trade, similar to Lamb. Personally think we'd be better off picking a state league player either in the ND or rookie draft, or trying to acquire Nuyon in the second round.

Phillips is marginally better than Wood at best.

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Sam Grimley 199cm ex Hawk?

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and more upside.

Wood looked to be struggling towards the end of this season...and he had complete the preseason.

GWS are after a mature ruckman....Warnock as back up for Mumford.

If Casboult is traded I think we need a new ruck option as I don't see any upside in Warnock. Ditto Wood.

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I'm failing to see why so many (both here and in da meedya) are so against us picking up "GWS reserves" when it's clear that they're either better than what we have, will provide much needed depth, and are more than likely better than what we'd pick up later in the draft.

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The very same. Not confessing to know CFC's plans, just know that he's delisted and he's a better option than Jones and Foster, as well as genuine athletic talent. Work rate needs to improve but he's not in the same category as Jones.


I'm happy with Sumner, Plowman, and one of Tomlinson and Stewart. I'm not happy with two years of Bugg, Phillips and Lamb, when we need to develop a ruck and midfielders for the medium to long term.

We don't have enough list space to bring in 4 from GWS and genuinely improve the list, so I don't want to tie ourselves to players who aren't going to be here in 2018.

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Surely just about every player entering an elite competition should have this work ethic built into them, my concern is that too many perceive Carlton as a go nowhere club. Maybe they are too young to no different? Carlton is too big to fail, watch them flock to us when the green shoots appear, we just have to trust in the new regime.

We will get some good kids hopefully they buy in to the strategic direction and see that they can grow together into a competition force. The sincere hope is that you don't burn them by expecting too much too soon.

Hawthorn were geniuses for getting O'Rourke (2012 pick 2) for pick 19.
But us getting Plowman (pick 3 2012 who has played more than O'Rourke), Lamb (sydney pick 21), Sumner (pick 10) & Phillips for pick 20 (as I'm led to believe) is bad?

The Carlton hate from the media is really strong in this one.

Well said Bondi.

Got the email this afternoon advertising the Carlton Shop 50% off sale. If anybody is thinking of stocking up on some CFC kit for god's sake don't buy anything associated with a specific player. You might be OK with Cripps or Murphy but anyone else and you are taking a chance. I'm tipping the Henderson tops will be on deep discount! Yarran tops might be getting the numbers unstitched as I type this!

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Comments like these just bring back memories to the days when Sauce was considered a dinosaur ruck man, way too slow for the modern game. Wasn't popular amongst fans in his stint at Carlton as a rookie.

Comments like this make me think you believe all red heads are the same.

Sauce had about 15 kilos on Phillips at the same age (Phillips is 24) and I honestly still think Jacobs is still a liability because he's the only regular lone ruckman in the league that doesn't directly improve his team's chances. Sandilands, Goldstein and Mumford dominate, while he helps Adelaide eek out a few extra premiership points on the aggregate due to an extra midfielder; he's not in the same class as them.

Could not give two shits about AA status, where are Adelaide despite his dominance? Mid-table, same as they have been for some time.

Could we have used Sauce during the year? Sure.
Would we have used him the way Adelaide used him? After about round 9, no.

For the record, Phillips is more athletic than Sauce, I just don't think he's a consistently good ruckman due to his lack of endurance. He tires easily, when he should be showing genuine improvement at 24. Sounds more like Warnock, doesn't it?

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Spot on. I feel it too, but we have to do our due diligence.

IMO Phillips > Warnock Wood as a ruckman/ possession and marking player.
Kreuzer is a better ruck rover backing his ruck work and fighting for those he loses.

Casboult is a great mark and not too bad in the ruck. Seems he needs to build up his tank which he could over a preseason. But he might be traded this year.

Phillips physique looks like it can become a running machine. I like his size and what he brings physically to the game.

Is a Grimley better value than a Phillips? Why not Grimley as a rookie.

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Just read this post.

Sounds like Sauce with 15 kg missing so he can run with ease compared to Sauc. I reckon all players have to put the hard yards in to have great speed and endurance.

Phillips doesnt look anything like Warnock imo. I am bias against Warnock. I dislike what he has given this club.

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Carlton say they will hang on to Yarran if the right deal isn't offered. Trigg said the long-term strategy "requires some patience", adding that the future pick "gives us great flexibility".
"We can bank it, or potentially trade it for more picks and/or a younger player," he said.
"Carlton's list management is and will be researched, well planned and highly strategic – there is no other way as we develop and grow through this next phase."


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl- ... z3oX4QkAtk

About time we showed some balls this time of year

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I'd love it if Richmond were left with blue balls at the end of the trade period!

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