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where did we go wrong?
Malthouse lost the players 11%  11%  [ 36 ]
Injuries 10%  10%  [ 31 ]
Lack of player depth 14%  14%  [ 45 ]
Too many Passengers playing 10%  10%  [ 33 ]
Opposition went passed us 5%  5%  [ 15 ]
Lack of fitness 5%  5%  [ 16 ]
game plan was antiquated 11%  11%  [ 35 ]
midfield didnt pressure the opposition enough 6%  6%  [ 19 ]
Midfield were lacking inside clearance ability 0%  0%  [ 1 ]
Midfield lacked outside run and speed 6%  6%  [ 19 ]
key position players not up to it 10%  10%  [ 33 ]
Defense let opposition score too easily 2%  2%  [ 6 ]
Forwards were ineffective 7%  7%  [ 22 ]
Players were too young 1%  1%  [ 3 ]
players were too old 1%  1%  [ 3 ]
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padre
PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:02 am 
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I am a realist. We are not anywhere near top 4 . But how did we go from fringe 8 to bottom dweller? Interested in everyones thoughts. It is obviously multi factorial. To help out I have created a poll.
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padre wrote:
I am a realist. We are not anywhere near top 4 . But how did we go from fringe 8 to bottom dweller? Interested in everyones thoughts. It is obviously multi factorial. To help out I have created a poll.



If you change 2015 to 1995, you might have the basis of a good starting point.


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I ticked every single one of those boxes, without even a hint of sarcasm.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:08 am 
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It started in the early 2000's and has just kept rolling along.
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I picked my 8 but if there was a box marked "all of the above" I would have chosen that one.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:07 am 
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List management probably needed to be in there as we have some good old players and good young ones, but lack quality in the middle and have ended up with an unbalanced list.

Personally I don't see the list as dire as a lot of people have made out.

We have been competitive to half time in most of our games, but run out the games really poor due to young players and poor fitness program and this should be our number one priority during the off season, a new high performance manager would be a good starting point.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:12 am 
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you should have 2013 and 2014 and one box to tick - Malthouse

total disaster for this club just when we appeared to be coming out of the dark ages he sent us back further

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Outs from 2013
Betts Bootsma Collins Davies Dale Duigan Garlett Hampson Joseph Laidler Lucas Mitchell McCarthy McInnes McLean O'Keefe Robinson Scotland Temay Waite Cachia


Ins from 2013
Boekhorst Cripps Dick Docherty Everitt Foster Giles Holman Jaksch Jones Smith Thomas V-Rainbow Whiley Bryne Fields Gowers Johnson Russell Sheehan Walsh Wood Tutt

I suspect part of the answer lies in those two lists and the judgment on has it improved or not?.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 11:59 am 
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dannyboy wrote:
Outs from 2013
Betts Bootsma Collins Davies Dale Duigan Garlett Hampson Joseph Laidler Lucas Mitchell McCarthy McInnes McLean O'Keefe Robinson Scotland Temay Waite Cachia


Ins from 2013
Boekhorst Cripps Dick Docherty Everitt Foster Giles Holman Jaksch Jones Smith Thomas V-Rainbow Whiley Bryne Fields Gowers Johnson Russell Sheehan Walsh Wood Tutt

I suspect part of the answer lies in those two lists and the judgment on has it improved or not?.


Talk about shuffling the deck chairs! :donk:

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robertbb wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
Outs from 2013
Betts Bootsma Collins Davies Dale Duigan Garlett Hampson Joseph Laidler Lucas Mitchell McCarthy McInnes McLean O'Keefe Robinson Scotland Temay Waite Cachia


Ins from 2013
Boekhorst Cripps Dick Docherty Everitt Foster Giles Holman Jaksch Jones Smith Thomas V-Rainbow Whiley Bryne Fields Gowers Johnson Russell Sheehan Walsh Wood Tutt

I suspect part of the answer lies in those two lists and the judgment on has it improved or not?.


Talk about shuffling the deck chairs! :donk:


Exactly

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dannyboy wrote:
Outs from 2013
Betts Bootsma Collins Davies Dale Duigan Garlett Hampson Joseph Laidler Lucas Mitchell McCarthy McInnes McLean O'Keefe Robinson Scotland Temay Waite Cachia


Ins from 2013
Boekhorst Cripps Dick Docherty Everitt Foster Giles Holman Jaksch Jones Smith Thomas V-Rainbow Whiley Bryne Fields Gowers Johnson Russell Sheehan Walsh Wood Tutt

I suspect part of the answer lies in those two lists and the judgment on has it improved or not?.


Scotland and Betts are the big outs.

Our kids are better than those we dumped in 2013, BB, Cripps, Doc, Holman, KJ with a few yet to play in DVR and Giles.
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I didn't select injuries.

Sure, the injuries are piling up now that we're sending everyone for surgery, but our season was done long before the injuries to Gibbs, Murphy, Casboult, Graham etc.

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We broke players and drove them away. Maybe on purpose to move malthouse on and start a rebuild..Maybe that was a prerequisite to SOS accepting his role..

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 12:45 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
Outs from 2013
Betts Bootsma Collins Davies Dale Duigan Garlett Hampson Joseph Laidler Lucas Mitchell McCarthy McInnes McLean O'Keefe Robinson Scotland Temay Waite Cachia


Ins from 2013
Boekhorst Cripps Dick Docherty Everitt Foster Giles Holman Jaksch Jones Smith Thomas V-Rainbow Whiley Bryne Fields Gowers Johnson Russell Sheehan Walsh Wood Tutt

I suspect part of the answer lies in those two lists and the judgment on has it improved or not?.


Scotland and Betts are the big outs.

Our kids are better than those we dumped in 2013, BB, Cripps, Doc, Holman, KJ with a few yet to play in DVR and Giles.


The problem is that it is missing C.Judd. He has carried the whole club.
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Sydney Blue wrote:
you should have 2013 and 2014 and one box to tick - Malthouse

total disaster for this club just when we appeared to be coming out of the dark ages he sent us back further



:clap: :clap: :clap:

It was always a dumb decision ... and its cost us many years.

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Look at the quality players that we discarded or lost for pretty much zero return.

I had us in the bottom 4 this year
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robertbb wrote:
I ticked every single one of those boxes, without even a hint of sarcasm.


I would have too but it would allow me 8 options so I dropped the references to age.

What a crap year, crap coach, crap list, and huge skill/ class shortage....but we can build from what we've got.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 2:17 pm 
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dannyboy wrote:
Outs from 2013
Betts Bootsma Collins Davies Dale Duigan Garlett Hampson Joseph Laidler Lucas Mitchell McCarthy McInnes McLean O'Keefe Robinson Scotland Temay Waite Cachia


Ins from 2013
Boekhorst Cripps Dick Docherty Everitt Foster Giles Holman Jaksch Jones Smith Thomas V-Rainbow Whiley Bryne Fields Gowers Johnson Russell Sheehan Walsh Wood Tutt

I suspect part of the answer lies in those two lists and the judgment on has it improved or not?.


My first thought was who did we lose and could still be playing.
Then I thought of all the drafting duds in rounds 1 and 2...and it goes back to Hartlett Bower draft in mid 2000's...no wonder there's no depth.

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another way of looking at it (excluding trades)

2012
Menzel Temay Graham Casboult (Rookie Promotion) Tuohy (Rookie Promotion) Cachia (Rookie) Collins (Rookie)

2013
Cripps Giles Holman Curnow (Rookie Promotion) Bell (Rookie Promotion) Reynolds Wood (Rookie) Johnson (Rookie) Scotland (Rookie) Sheehan (Rookie) Byrne (Rookie)

2014
Boekhorst Viojo-Rainbow Smith Foster Tutt Gowers Walsh (Rookie) Fields (Rookie) Russell (Rookie)

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Another way of looking at it:

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