Goltz that trade was the equivalent of pick 27 for Jaksch and Whiley, looking at the AFL's draft value index they'll be using for F/S bids, so not so bad really.

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Is Aish likely to be better than the pick we give up for him, hard to know but i'd hate to miss out on a potential Fyffe, Hanneberry, Parker etc.

Aish is from SA and sooking because he has to play for a bottom side outside his own state. So why is he going to want to come to us? He'll have to play for a poor side for 4-5 years before we get better. Does he have the character to do that, or like Hendo will he walk out when things are tough? I'd rather him than Carlisle, but we need character as much as talent. Yarran has way more talent than Aish, how is he going at the moment?

Forget about Aish he is going to the Pies......

So let me get this straight,.........

We're (most likely) getting a first round pick for Hendo and Yazz each??? Bloody hell. Id take that!!! Even in a (so-called) weak draft, I'm happy with that.
Yazz doesn't look like wanting to play for Carlton and Hendo has been a shadow of himself.

Preferably i would like to keep Hedno and just play him down back where i think he's best - but if he wants to go then so be it!


So we will probably end up with 4 x picks in the top 20??? If we were serious about rebuilding....... now's the perfect time to do so!

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It's one thing getting 4 or 5 picks in the top 20, you then have to nail these picks as well.

For all those getting so excited about the draft picks, do remember when Terry Wallace started at Richmond in 2004. From memory they ended up with 5 picks in the top 20 as well and proceeded to draft Brett Deledio (Pick 1), Richard Tambling (Pick 2), Danny Meyer (Pick 11), Adam Pattinson (Pick 16) and Dean Polo (Pick 20) - from memory.

Whilst in the same draft Hawthorn picked up Roughead, Franklin and Lewis in the top 10.

So yes it's a start, but like everything else, it's not the silver bullet that is going to fix all our problems. Especially without a recruiting manager.

Oh yeah, totally understand...... and I'm not into picks at all!!! (Just look back to the Kreuzer Cup situation we were in.... look where that got us!!!)

But, we've got 2 players who don't want to be here. Usually we just traded them on for anything we could get in the past (Grigg / Robbo / Jeff etc etc). Now we're getting some value for them!

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Do we even have a head recruiter yet?

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We will when the season ends. He comes from GWS

Ah, big deal! So, if we have to, just go over the cap. What could go wrong?

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Ok so I've gone over the numbers again, bumped up White & Rowe to $275k, still excluding any future TPP payments to any of the delisted rookies and put Carlisle on $550k; veteran list calculations are not a concern at all as far TPP goes because Simpson, Murphy and Walker will all count as veterans and the amount is fixed, so all you need is one veteran to claim it all.

Delist: Ellard, Carrazzo, Jones, Tutt, Warnock, Watson, Judd, Wood (r), Johnson (r), Russell (r), Fields (r) (net TPP space: ~$825k)

Trade out: Henderson [pick 10], Rowe [good home], White [3rd->2nd rd pick upgrade or 3rd rd pick] (net TPP: ~$1m)

Promote: Sheehan, Byrne (net TPP: ~-$80k)

Re-sign: Kreuzer [3 years], Giles [2 years], Everitt [2 years], Curnow [2 years], Armfield [1 year] (net TPP: ~-$150k)

Trade in: Stewart [GWS, pick 19-30] (net TPP: ~-$150k)

PSD in: Carlisle [3 years] (net TPP: ~-$550k)

Free Agency in: Grant [2(+1) years] (net TPP: ~-$300k)

Draft in: 1 (Weitering), 10, Rice, SOSOS, 4th round pick (net TPP: ~-$420k)

Rookie Draft in: 1, 19, 37, Korcheck (net TPP space: ~-$150k)

Net TPP change: ~$250k

Now if we need to go up to $650k for Carlisle, it looks like this is achievable while still leaving us some wiggle room in the trade/FA market to secure a reliable senior player in an area of need. I've picked Grant and Stewart because one's a free agent and one's excellent value and they change our dynamics forward of centre, but they're merely suggestions, with the key point being there would be up to $700k to play with under this scenario.

Here's a break down of the contract figures I'm estimating for those leaving the club:

$500k - Judd, Jones (2 years rolled into 1)
$450k - Carrazzo, Henderson, Warnock
$275k - White, Rowe
$150k - Ellard, Tutt, Watson

For the re-signings, I've given them a 25k-50k wage bump. Perhaps Armfield and Curnow might only see another 25k between them, Kreuzer might not see much of an increase and Everitt might get a bigger bump because of his value in the goals and assists he provides, but on the whole an average wage increase between those 5 players of $30k seems right, and is above the TPP inflation rate.

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Wood has a year remaining on his contract I believe.

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Long time lurker, finally deciding to weigh in. Below is what i hope happens while trying to stay realistic, building for deep finals in 3-4 years.

Drafted/Traded In: Weitering/Schache (Pick 1/2), Aish (free?), Carlisle (free?), Rice (f/s), Silvagni (f/s).
- From what i have read this draft is going to be shallow [read: outside top 20 is a gamble], so i think having three key targets (KP/MID), the f/s's and then trade for future picks in 2016 draft.

Gone/Traded Out: Henderson, Walker, Ellard, Carrazzo, Warnock, Watson, Judd, Armfield.

2016 Best/[Plays now to be the best in 2 years] 22:

FB: Giles Carlisle Tuohy
HB: Buckley Rowe Sheehan/Byrne
C: Aish Murphy Docherty
HF: Everitt Jaksch Yarran
FF: Casboult Weitering/Schache Menzel

RR: Kreuzer Gibbs Cripps

Int: Thomas, Simpson/Bell, Boekhorst, Graham/Holman.

Reserves (from): White, Wood, Jamison, Dick, Smith, DVR, Rice, Silvagni, Curnow,
Reserves Reserves (from): Jones, Tutt, Fields, Whiley, Walsh, Foster, Gowers

my 2c.

I'm aware of this, but I'm positing that it's an option, which can only be written into AFL contracts if it is not a unilateral clause.

Otherwise we're not just hopeless, we're suicidal with our list management. If that's not the case then chuck on another $60-100k to next year's TPP in my estimates, depending on how a delisted rookie contract is counted against the TPP (I assume there's no discount).

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Walker is contracted until the end of 2017.

Not sure what is happening with Armfield. I suspect he'll re-sign.

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He's suggesting Walker and Henderson should be traded.

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We wouldn't get much for Walker. Probably better off keeping him.

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Walker wouldn't pass a medical.

Get one of those workers compo doctors from the 80's out of retirement...

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I like it. I think you're a couple of players short as well. Yarran is definitely gone and Menzel, Kruezer & Bell are possibilities.

Imagine we we traded the other 4 listed above for Francis, C.Curnow, Mathieson with Aish for Bell. Trade a late pick for Minson.

FB: Giles Jamison Tuohy
HB: Buckley Carlisle Sheehan
C: Aish Cripps Docherty
HF: Gibbs Jaksch Francis
FF: Casboult Schache Thomas

RR: Minson Murphy Graham

Int from: Mathieson C.Curnow Byrne Rice Simpson Boekhorst Holman Whiley Walker Smith.

The players we get rid of won't be missed at all. To me that is exciting.

#TheNewBlues

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