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"You are being watched. The government has a secret system. A machine that spies on you every hour of every day. I know because I built it." - Finch

I just want to clarify this. Docherty, drafted with pick 12 in 2011, who played 0 games in his debut year & 13 in his second season, where he averaged 13 possessions per game, was 'streets ahead' of Aish, drafted pick 7 in 2013, who played 21 games in his debut year for 18 possessions per game and 4th in the rising star award, and played 11 games in his second season for 14 possessions per game? Streets ahead?

Could you cut up a highlights reel that indicates this?

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@cecil_anderson

Firstly, that was an open question to the board, secondly, I don't have to:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkqoJTnjC7I




Safe to say the dogs feel that way too, enough to have him in their side. What's your logic there?

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I think the club would be able to put together an impressive highlights package for Aish if we recruited him too.

I'm not having a crack at you personally Jim, but I think you're evaluation of Aish is inaccurate and I believe landing a guy who was drafted at 7 just 2 years ago for pick 20 now is a good deal.

On one hand we have posters referring to Yarran being a former pick 6 and that Richmond can give up their first round pick for him or they can get stuffed, and similarly people expect a first round pick in return for Menzel, but then on the other hand don't want to give up a second round pick for Aish.. It's just astounding.

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@cecil_anderson

Simple. The Bulldogs are 3-4 years ahead of where we are. Grant is a role player who struggled to get a game until this year. He has been okay but he is simply not what we need at this point.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Personal opinion is one thing, but......

jimmae thinks Aish "isn't worth a Top 35 pick" basing all of his "analysis" on this year, and not the previous 3 and doesn't take in extenuating circumstances such as the fact he is just 19, unsure of his future, playing in what seems like a shit environment, and has had a broken jaw and now broken finger but has Henderson at "Pick 10 at a bare minimum" regardless of his form this year and claims that "You need to discount his efforts this year by factoring in his sooking and dumb football"

He also in the same sentence states we need to keep Bell, but should tell Aish to piss off until he learns how to kick...

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"They're [REDACTED]'

Polec was ordinary at Brisbane as well.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

And what do we simply need in your opinion? A chill out room with a few XBox Ones and a AirPlay stereo because the average age of our list should be 20?

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

lol

Told him that 5 weeks ago, but apparently both Polec and Yeo "showed more with less physical tools", so it was case closed.....

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"They're [REDACTED]'

For someone who doesn't rate my opinions or football knowledge you really do get worked up about what I write.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Always is. No room for discussion and if you try and discuss it becomes personal. Put simply he is right and that is the end of it

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

I've based it on the previous 3, as I've told you before, but I pulled up current data to show the trend continues. Could not give two shits about Rising Star nominations or anything vaguely arbitrary in terms of other's views of his performances that are highly politicised. The kid is not a good kick, he works hard, he's smart enough about his footy and he has pace but he cannot kick.

Bell for a pick in the 20s is more line-ball for mine, but I just wouldn't take it given his ability to impose himself on an AFL game despite his kicking, which I honestly see to be composure issue rather than technique. Unless someone bobs up now and declares Bell to be intellectually disabled I'm confident that a good coach can work that out with him.

Bell @ 75% DE is worth more to us than what Aish is @ 75% DE, and we don't have to give up pick 20 for him. Funnily enough Bell is at 68.5% (2.8 clangers per game) despite 29 shots on goal and 89 I50s for the season, while Aish is at 63% (2.6 clangers per game) with 3 shots on goal and 16 inside 50s to show from 11 matches.

So Bell is only 4% below the team average despite our cluster @#$%&! style of play, while Aish is a full 10% lower than his team's average despite barely pumping the ball into 50, where it's more likely to be intercepted due to a spare man helping out his defence.

IMHO, Tom Cutler has outperformed him in his opportunities this season. Aish's skill level by foot hasn't been there from the beginning.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Can't help but notice the people pushing the Aish wagon the hardest are the SA residents. He's just not what he was touted be, but I understand the state pride and want for him to go well. Just not pick 20 please, that would be a tragedy.


The Herald Sun and Fox News also get me riled from time to time.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

the bits i've seen from aish this year have been terrible. I don't know enough about the guy to make a call on whether we should get him or not. but, we do need to get the ideal that former high draft picks = success, out of our heads

kane lucas was a number 9 pick.

Just to clarify, Aish's amazing first year compared to the current season saw him down about 1 clanger a game, 1 inside 50 higher, 3 disposals a game higher, a smidge higher in terms of scoreboard contribution all with a DE% around about the team average.

He was however the highest performing Dream Team rookie and 4th highest performing Supercoach rookie, which might explain why everyone thinks he's amazing.

Take a look for yourself here:

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-b ... james-aish

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-b ... ish?advv=Y

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Mostly agree, but for very recent draft picks (Docherty when we traded for him, Boyd last year, Aish this year etc) their draft position still holds some relevance.
Where guys were drafted 5+ years ago becomes mostly irrelevant tho after that amount of time.

Specifically on Aish I think his draft position and the attributes that led to him being picked so high are still important to consider. His desire to leave Brisbane, the fact that he's uncontracted and that he is coming off of a quieter year this year are all factors too. With all of that in mind I still think pick 20 would be a good deal for him.
I don't think a third round pick would get the job done and equally don't think a straight swap for Bell is good enough.

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@cecil_anderson

To be very clear, I 100% agree with you on what we'd need to satisfy Brisbane in a trade. Where we diverge is that I don't think we should pay that.

There might be others that think he is and will pony up, maybe we'll make an offer of White & 38 or maybe we'll net him in the PSD, but we should be giving up a top 20 pick for him if we're serious about his talent, no matter what the market demands.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

Honestly, he sounds like a jaksh.

Just because some one is taken in the top 10 does not make them a top 10 player. Would you take jack watts in the top 20? Top 50? Now.

Club should offer round 3 pick or be jaskch'd again. Atleast jaksh is a kpp. If aish isnt playing like a kid with a lot of upside, then we could fubar another pick