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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:23 am 
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for 15 years we've played as a club who internally, can't stand one another.

my worry is; that's not going to change until the board is dismantled.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:24 am 
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c'mon now, everybody sing.... :smoking:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:42 am 
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Yep its the boards fault. Players ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:05 am 
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players are like children ... they'll get away with as much as they're allowed to. imo


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:40 am 
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Braithy wrote:
players are like children ... they'll get away with as much as they're allowed to. imo


Agree. Barker said last night showed the lack of depth at club. Whilst I agree with that it's the lack of effort after quarter time that is the most disheartening.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 11:54 am 
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Braithy wrote:
for 15 years we've played as a club who internally, can't stand one another.

my worry is; that's not going to change until the board is dismantled.


What do you think is happening right now?

1. We are playing a bunch of kids who aren't fit and never been given a chance under an old Coach
2. We have an interim coach who won't be our future coach
3. We have a group of senior players who won't be here next year playing

I don't care how strong anyones will is, no incentive means no motivation, no motivation means crap results.

Now for the Board.

- The Board has restructured the Executive since MLG took over.
- The Executive has commenced a proper search for a new Coach, and as media have proven, kept it quite internal.
- The new coach will look to build out his assistants and development program.
- The Executive realised we needed a List Manager and got one
- The Executive will employ a Chief recruiter
- The Football Manager role will be reviewed at the end of year (My assumption).

What more do you want them to do?

I see a lot of positives in what MLG is leading, whether people like him or not, I see the Club being modernised.

Lets just relax and watch what the pre-season brings to the table. Nothing will get us excited in the next few weeks outside of the odd cameo by a young kid.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:26 pm 
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I'm with da King

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:34 pm 
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teagueyubeauty wrote:
I'm with da King


So am I but you can understand after what has happened at this club some of us being concerned it will actually come to fruition.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:59 pm 
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can the new coach please change our under10 game plan,how many games do we have to watch when we just go the long bomb into our fwd line only to watch the oppostion run it out with ease (so predictable)


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:07 pm 
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Whilst the negatives stick out like dogs balls and are easily noticed, I don't think it takes a hell of a lot to change and to move up the ladder in the future. The competition is very tight, it only takes a few things to go wrong, or right to change a clubs fortunes.

Last nights game was interesting to watch. First quarter we showed we could beat Brisbane. Personally at quarter time I was secretly hoping we don't win this game. I was glad with the result.

The club seems fair dinkum about getting its act together. Sure the board everyone loves to hate is still hanging around like a bad case of herpes, but at least they've gone to the doctors and asked for some cream ...

We've got positives to acknowledge if we choose to recognize them. State of the art facilities at Ikon Park. We're making inroads to get the right people in the right positions which is a pretty massive turnaround compared to how we've operated in the past.

Even though we're not seeing results from a fair few of our younger recruits, I think many of them will come good once the dust settles as we get a stable working environment in place.

The sheer difference one good recruit makes, ie. Patrick Cripps, plainly shows we can get it right and what a difference it makes. We can and will do this again during the draft period, I have no doubts about it.

Getting Mick Malthouse was probably the best damn decision the club has made in the last 15 years. It took the appointments of Pagan, the sacking of Ratten and the final straw of Malthouse, to wake this club up and prove without a shadow of a doubt we've got it wrong, so horribly wrong.

Some absolutely ghastly decisions over the journey are NOT going to be rectified with a wave of the magic wand. But all is not lost, its only just beginning.

The next few years are going to sort out the men from the boys as far as supporter loyalty is concerned. Its going to be a bloody painful journey for ALL lovers of the Navy Blue.

The good news is, no, the BESTEST news is we have categorically acknowledged, without a shadow of a doubt, that we need to do things right, right across the board.

For the first time in a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time I'm actually excited about our future. Sticks Kernahan did us a massive favour in retrospect appointing Mick Malthouse as coach. It showed us once and for all we need to change and do things right.

We weren't even prepared to look at teams like Hawthorn and how they went about it. We went about it the Carlton way - hire the best money can buy and BINGO! Premierships!

Thanks Sticks, all those years at the helm you finally came good for us appointing Malhouse. Your not a silly as you look you sneaky bastard :P

Its kind of a sickening feeling really. I'm so NOT looking forward to the next 2 seasons on the one hand, but at the same time its a strange game football, and with the competition is so evenly spread, our improvement could surprise many, or be a slow long slug-fest.

Either way, our days of doing things the old way are definitely over. Personally I think this and this alone is the best damn news any Carlton supporter could hear in the last 20+ years.

Chin up, we're not done yet, not by a long shot.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:17 pm 
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Watching the game last night, I swear to god Henderson was avoiding every ground ball contests.
He goes for overhead marks but anything that involves the ball on the ground he will make an effort to avoid it.
He never picks up the ball off the ground, he slows down and let his opponent get the ball first and pretty much lets him run away.

I don't want this shithole at my club, get rid of him!!!


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 4:47 pm 
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King Kenny wrote:
Braithy wrote:
for 15 years we've played as a club who internally, can't stand one another.

my worry is; that's not going to change until the board is dismantled.


What do you think is happening right now?

1. We are playing a bunch of kids who aren't fit and never been given a chance under an old Coach
2. We have an interim coach who won't be our future coach
3. We have a group of senior players who won't be here next year playing

I don't care how strong anyones will is, no incentive means no motivation, no motivation means crap results.

Now for the Board.

- The Board has restructured the Executive since MLG took over.
- The Executive has commenced a proper search for a new Coach, and as media have proven, kept it quite internal.
- The new coach will look to build out his assistants and development program.
- The Executive realised we needed a List Manager and got one
- The Executive will employ a Chief recruiter
- The Football Manager role will be reviewed at the end of year (My assumption).

What more do you want them to do?

I see a lot of positives in what MLG is leading, whether people like him or not, I see the Club being modernised.

Lets just relax and watch what the pre-season brings to the table. Nothing will get us excited in the next few weeks outside of the odd cameo by a young kid.


I am not sure MLG is the main driver but was influential in getting Silvagni. MLG is an improvement but not the brightest tool in the shed. If it is about getting the best, Fitzpatrick. He has the clout to change the board and the understanding of the on and off field requirements.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 7:28 pm 
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Lolz. Do you reckon any Hawthorn player could name even one board member? Too funny.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:11 pm 
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Worst part of our losses this year is seeing Simmo practically in tears at the end of the game. If I wasn't so selfish, Id tell him to ask for a trade.



..retirement looms, he's going to find himself Barnaby Frenched..

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 17, 2015 5:14 am 
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KoRn wrote:
Watching the game last night, I swear to god Henderson was avoiding every ground ball contests.
He goes for overhead marks but anything that involves the ball on the ground he will make an effort to avoid it.
He never picks up the ball off the ground, he slows down and let his opponent get the ball first and pretty much lets him run away.

I don't want this shithole at my club, get rid of him!!!

He doesn't want to get injured and lower his chances at his new club.

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Brisbane Lions v Carlton

10 – Mitch Robinson (Bris)
8 – Tom Rockliff (Bris)
6 – Stefan Martin (Bris)
2 – Jack Redden (Bris)
2 – Dayne Zorko (Bris)
1 – Patrick Cripps (Carl)
1 – Tom Cutler (Bris)

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:38 am 
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It is really interesting to read through the thoughts and emotions of other frustrated Blues members/followers out there in the real world. It would be great to think that the Board and the Players felt obliged to do the same and come to the conclusion that the support for them is falling to below acceptable levels and that unless something radical to stop the rot is done soon there will be no more CFC. The Club is not sustainable in the long term if it does not get its act together and soon. We supporters are so sick of the apathetic attitude to the way their games are played and even more tired of the rhetoric from the Board. Sooner or later action to bite the bullet must be taken to clean out the hangers-on (both on and off the field) before we are totally unsalvageable. having being proud to be a Carlton supporter for most of my 61 years I am now embarrassed to make the same claim. Like many others I have defended the Club and made excuses for the poor performance but the Round 20 game lost me entirely. Fair enough, if you want to use the "T" (tanking) word that in order to get the #1 draft pick we needed to finish on the bottom (again) did we have to play that badly that we lost to the bottom side by 10 goals? Hello? WTF? Give me a break! Unfortunately, there is not enough time nor space for me to continue with my exasperation and I can only hope that my pain is felt and reflected upon all the way to the President because tell you - I'm over it!


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 10:57 am 
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OgTheDog wrote:
It is really interesting to read through the thoughts and emotions of other frustrated Blues members/followers out there in the real world. It would be great to think that the Board and the Players felt obliged to do the same and come to the conclusion that the support for them is falling to below acceptable levels and that unless something radical to stop the rot is done soon there will be no more CFC. The Club is not sustainable in the long term if it does not get its act together and soon. We supporters are so sick of the apathetic attitude to the way their games are played and even more tired of the rhetoric from the Board. Sooner or later action to bite the bullet must be taken to clean out the hangers-on (both on and off the field) before we are totally unsalvageable. having being proud to be a Carlton supporter for most of my 61 years I am now embarrassed to make the same claim. Like many others I have defended the Club and made excuses for the poor performance but the Round 20 game lost me entirely. Fair enough, if you want to use the "T" (tanking) word that in order to get the #1 draft pick we needed to finish on the bottom (again) did we have to play that badly that we lost to the bottom side by 10 goals? Hello? WTF? Give me a break! Unfortunately, there is not enough time nor space for me to continue with my exasperation and I can only hope that my pain is felt and reflected upon all the way to the President because tell you - I'm over it!

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:26 pm 
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just watching a replay of the game. of all the shit we offer up on the field, the thing that does my flower head in, is when no one attacks the ball carrier, and they all run along side their direct opponent. this has to end. it is infuriating. surely, it can't be a coaching directive.

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idle wrote:
Whilst the negatives stick out like dogs balls and are easily noticed, I don't think it takes a hell of a lot to change and to move up the ladder in the future. The competition is very tight, it only takes a few things to go wrong, or right to change a clubs fortunes.

Last nights game was interesting to watch. First quarter we showed we could beat Brisbane. Personally at quarter time I was secretly hoping we don't win this game. I was glad with the result.

The club seems fair dinkum about getting its act together. Sure the board everyone loves to hate is still hanging around like a bad case of herpes, but at least they've gone to the doctors and asked for some cream ...

We've got positives to acknowledge if we choose to recognize them. State of the art facilities at Ikon Park. We're making inroads to get the right people in the right positions which is a pretty massive turnaround compared to how we've operated in the past.

Even though we're not seeing results from a fair few of our younger recruits, I think many of them will come good once the dust settles as we get a stable working environment in place.

The sheer difference one good recruit makes, ie. Patrick Cripps, plainly shows we can get it right and what a difference it makes. We can and will do this again during the draft period, I have no doubts about it.

Getting Mick Malthouse was probably the best damn decision the club has made in the last 15 years. It took the appointments of Pagan, the sacking of Ratten and the final straw of Malthouse, to wake this club up and prove without a shadow of a doubt we've got it wrong, so horribly wrong.

Some absolutely ghastly decisions over the journey are NOT going to be rectified with a wave of the magic wand. But all is not lost, its only just beginning.

The next few years are going to sort out the men from the boys as far as supporter loyalty is concerned. Its going to be a bloody painful journey for ALL lovers of the Navy Blue.

The good news is, no, the BESTEST news is we have categorically acknowledged, without a shadow of a doubt, that we need to do things right, right across the board.

For the first time in a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time I'm actually excited about our future. Sticks Kernahan did us a massive favour in retrospect appointing Mick Malthouse as coach. It showed us once and for all we need to change and do things right.

We weren't even prepared to look at teams like Hawthorn and how they went about it. We went about it the Carlton way - hire the best money can buy and BINGO! Premierships!

Thanks Sticks, all those years at the helm you finally came good for us appointing Malhouse. Your not a silly as you look you sneaky bastard :P

Its kind of a sickening feeling really. I'm so NOT looking forward to the next 2 seasons on the one hand, but at the same time its a strange game football, and with the competition is so evenly spread, our improvement could surprise many, or be a slow long slug-fest.

Either way, our days of doing things the old way are definitely over. Personally I think this and this alone is the best damn news any Carlton supporter could hear in the last 20+ years.

Chin up, we're not done yet, not by a long shot.


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