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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:28 pm 
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I just went on to Facebook and read some of the posts. In the end I just had to post this.

It should give Moshe something to work with.

"To paraphrase some of our more esteemed comments: "I'm guttered. I wouldn't of thought this possible. There not interested in paying for there club. Their needs to be a shake up of the board. None of them are good enough. They think there to good to play hard footy. What would the passed player's be thinking? They must all of been guttered as well."

We're turning into the Collingwood cheer squad of commenters.


99prelim too.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:29 pm 
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I can't believe I am saying this but the biggest issue for this club now is it's viability

Our record over the last 15 years is so diabolical that I'm losing hope that we will ever get out of this never ending cycle of mediocrity

That's dooms day thinking, but we haven't seen the worst yet. That is a scary thought.

Surely, the Board must be replaced now

You have to wonder if the AFL are concerned about Carlton right now.
At least we wont have to hand over money to successful clubs under this equalization funding.
It is going to get worse before it gets better, and I am also worried that are now beyond repair and there is no coming back from this.
Free agency is just another hurdle that the bottom clubs have to over come thanks to the Player's Association.
Sponsors will drop off, one is apparently ending its sponsorship with us at the end of the year.
We have a large debt, falling membership and crowds and on field we are a rabble.
I pity the next coach, it will a short career after we have finished with him.


Get a grip. New system, new coach, new draft picks.....it can all change quickly. Look at Bullies.

I'm tipping you're a glass half empty kinda guy ?


I don't think she is......

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:29 pm 
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Before we think of trading out players for draft picks and the glory the number 1 draft pick might bring, we need a strong board who's going to make the right decisions, elite recruiters and a solid coaching/development group. Until we fix those key areas, extra draft picks and trading out players is just shuffling the deck chairs....we'll be in the same position in 3 years time.

This is true but who makes the change? Unless Fraser Brown or someone else with a shitload of money raises an opposition ticket with new-look candidates, the current board will still be around when we hand in the keys to PP in a few years.

The club does NOT listen to the members or supporters. They think it's all about sponsorship and pokies money and forget the gate and membership sales. It's been posted elsewhere several times but we have lost an entire generation of future supporters. I went into a shop to buy a Carlton jumper for my kid last time I was in Tassie and the shelves were packed with them while Hawthorn and Geelong, Collingwood and even Brisbane and Sydney were all sold and or only had XXXL sizes left. Why wold a kid in Hobart want to buy a Brisbane or Sydney jumper? It beggars belief that they would ask their parents for that.

No kid in school wants to be seen dead in a Navy Guernsey.

That's the future unless we get some on-field success. Doesn't have to be flags but we have to get back into September action or there will be no club.

In my opinion, if we don't turn this around within five years or less, we will merge or fold. We're worse than Fitzroy was at the end.



Half price 2015 Carlton jumpers at Sims Sports in Moonee Ponds today, but to be fair paul little was out the front giving away Drug Cheats jumpers. :razz:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:32 pm 
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Worst part of our losses this year is seeing Simmo practically in tears at the end of the game. If I wasn't so selfish, Id tell him to ask for a trade.


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:33 pm 
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My plan was to watch the game and go back to bed after the sun came up and have a sleep before breakfast. waste of time. I might as well get to work in the garden before it gets too hot. No way I could relax enough to sleep.

I ask myself every week why I put myself through this and I can't come up with a rational answer.

My step mum is a mad Doggies supporter. Buys membership tickets for her grandchildren every year and they are all grown up now and as mad as she is about their club.

They haven't won a flag for 61 years. And that's the only one!

How do they maintain the passion?


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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 11:58 pm 
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The full weight of the Madhouse appointment is now bearing down on the Carlton FC and its going to be a heavy burden. A coach might not not make a side ... but he can certainly break a side.

Its gunna be a long climb back. Tonight was horrible ... get use to it.


Yep, its all Micks fault ffs. :roll:

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 12:17 am 
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Worst part of our losses this year is seeing Simmo practically in tears at the end of the game. If I wasn't so selfish, Id tell him to ask for a trade.




What was his disposal efficiency tonight?

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 1:11 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
yeah we really should have won that , would have been really smart.

You all bag the club as much as you want, they aren't as stupid as you all want them to be.


There's a toll to be paid for this grro.

If they don't get it right this time.................................

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 5:58 am 
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Worst part of our losses this year is seeing Simmo practically in tears at the end of the game. If I wasn't so selfish, Id tell him to ask for a trade.




What was his disposal efficiency tonight?

It was 43% in the last. Don't know how it ended up but probably wouldn't have changed much because we didn't see it that much.
Murphy's would have been leading the charge at about 50%

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 6:43 am 
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AFL are launching a women's league in 2017. This list would be competitive


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10th game this year where we didnt reach double digits in the goals column
With another 3 games with 11 goals.
Not hard to see where the issue is

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:11 am 
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chelodina wrote:
AFL are launching a women's league in 2017. This list would be competitive

Have you watched much womens footy? They would smash those soft cauliflower wearing navy off the park.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:46 am 
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grrofunger wrote:
yeah we really should have won that , would have been really smart.

You all bag the club as much as you want, they aren't as stupid as you all want them to be.



wrong on all levels.

1st pick or second ... it hardly matters. the longterm cultural effect on a group from tanking is irreparable. See Demons, Melbourne.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 8:56 am 
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last night should douse any and all of the brisbane pity party about priority picks.

and fuel up carlton's ...


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:04 am 
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Braithy wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
yeah we really should have won that , would have been really smart.

You all bag the club as much as you want, they aren't as stupid as you all want them to be.



wrong on all levels.

1st pick or second ... it hardly matters. the longterm cultural effect on a group from tanking is irreparable. See Demons, Melbourne.


Yep, all that tanking in the past for no 1 draft picks has lifted us to glory.

Club is [REDACTED], culture is [REDACTED].

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:16 am 
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it's been proven, tanking just doesn't work.


the degrees of separation from pick 1 to 3 or 4 in any draft is nullified by the playing group's culture and the coaching team's ability.

ie drafting at number 3 or 4 into a club with an emphasis on positive culture and players playing for each other and the jersey is always going to beat out drafting a number 1 stud into an abysmal situation at all levels like carlton currently is.


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:21 am 
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Melbourne and Carlton tanked and got nowhere.
West Coast, Hawthorn and Collingwood tanked and have been more successful.

Whilst we've ballsed up coaching appointments, trades, list management and drafting the others have got most things right.

How can anyone point to tanking as the reason for our poor culture when we've done nothing else right, in comparison to these other clubs? All it proves is that the picks are only the starting point to be building a successful club.

Someone mentioned Melbourne using a Top 10 pick on Lucas Cook in another thread. Never had the desire or attitude to make it regardless of the culture he was brought into. Compare that to a Viney, Brayshaw or Hogan, or like Cripps to Bootsma. Brayshaw was gained through a charity handout from the AFL. Neither he nor his team mates would care. Unlike Cook, he's a winner.

Make enough correct appointment on and off the field, an no-one will even remember the last half of this year.....

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:24 am 
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I doubt that Carlton is tanking. I wouldn't worry that we're messing with our mojo. We're just no good.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 9:39 am 
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cimm1979 wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
yeah we really should have won that , would have been really smart.

You all bag the club as much as you want, they aren't as stupid as you all want them to be.


There's a toll to be paid for this grro.

If they don't get it right this time.................................


My 11YO sat and watched last night after I'd managed to re-engage him recently.
His words, as the Lions went on their 12-goal spree, "See, this is why I don't watch anymore ... when are they going to win again?"
Makes it hard.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 16, 2015 10:01 am 
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cimm1979 wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
yeah we really should have won that , would have been really smart.

You all bag the club as much as you want, they aren't as stupid as you all want them to be.


There's a toll to be paid for this grro.

If they don't get it right this time.................................


That's the point I've been making too.

We mucked up this rebuild with a similar approach. Why will this be any different? Not to mention the lasting cultural impact this has, which IMHO we are still dealing with.

By any measurement, we are so far from a power club it's not funny. Are we strong enough to survive a true proper rebuild? I dare say a lot of members are disillusioned and have little faith in the club to get this right.

No recent success to fall back on. Younger generation really only know failure.

IMHO this is high stakes. Club is gambling with it's very existence.

We are at serious risk of heading the way of Fitzroy. Soul destroying but it's true IMHO.

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