When we put a line in the sand and drop Yarran and Menzel which could lead to them leaving, it is great coaching but when we trade Robinson and Garlett to change our culture it is poor coaching management. Garlett, Robinson and Waite are not great footballers. Betts and Jacobs are a loss. Betts this year is worth a couple of wins. Our problems run so much deeper than losing the 5 players you listed

No it wont

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James Hird and Essendon* FC - #FOREVERDRUGCHEATS

Haha. Type. Read. Correct. THEN post.

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

At least nobody is mentioning how we took Yarran over Rich............oops.

Judd went ok.

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dane's trolling again

@CarltonFC: Barker: "I think our supporters know where we're at, too. We need to build under our core group."

And that core group will be recruited over the next 5 years

How stupid are they?

The coach may conceivably be following orders but I wouldn't think the conspiracy spreads as far as the entire playing group. Do you?

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"Get ready, Teddy - you're on": Ron Barassi half time 1970 Grand Final

I think we've found next years slogan for the membership stickers.

And we'll also be losing Hendo, Yarran and maybe Menzel.... So we can get draft picks and pick the eyes out a weak draft.... This is going to end well.

dont forget we have a fair few shit players and a fair few simply not ready.

we're simply not that good either

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*(grow - fun - gah)

Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

You have to wonder if the AFL are concerned about Carlton right now.
At least we wont have to hand over money to successful clubs under this equalization funding.
It is going to get worse before it gets better, and I am also worried that are now beyond repair and there is no coming back from this.
Free agency is just another hurdle that the bottom clubs have to over come thanks to the Player's Association.
Sponsors will drop off, one is apparently ending its sponsorship with us at the end of the year.
We have a large debt, falling membership and crowds and on field we are a rabble.
I pity the next coach, it will a short career after we have finished with him.

Great result Baggers....seriously. So we have the top draft pick in the bag. Whoop whoop.

The Robbo/Jammo thing is an absolutely waste of time. Move on.

Go Blues.

Bolton.....come on down

I love Juddy, hindsights a wonderful thing but if we could have kept Kennedy and got Juddy too things may have been a little different.

Because I should have been numbed by that experience?

Wow, we really flowered ourselves up tonight

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

My plan was to watch the game and go back to bed after the sun came up and have a sleep before breakfast. waste of time. I might as well get to work in the garden before it gets too hot. No way I could relax enough to sleep.

I ask myself every week why I put myself through this and I can't come up with a rational answer.

My step mum is a mad Doggies supporter. Buys membership tickets for her grandchildren every year and they are all grown up now and as mad as she is about their club.

They haven't won a flag for 61 years. And that's the only one!

How do they maintain the passion?

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Let slip the Blues of war (with apologies to William Shakespeare) (and Sir Francis Bacon, just in case)

That's weak. Just because we have "deeper problems" in your opinion doesn't make the point we have thrown away good players less valid. We are worse off without them. Getting rid of them hasn't been a positive for the club by any stretch of the imagination.

We don't have too, we could trade for picks in next year's draft.

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Just because I'm offended, doesn't mean I'm wrong.

Get a grip. New system, new coach, new draft picks.....it can all change quickly. Look at Bullies.

I'm tipping you're a glass half empty kinda guy ?

And you don't reckon the players know the coach is following orders?

Or that their coach probably won't be there next year. They are dispirited, distracted and despondent.
They are going through the motions, playing out time till the end of the year.

How were the WB's travelling toward the end of 2014?

Not saying we'll make the same rate of improvement (cause their list is superior), but a fresh start with certainty about their coach and their futures will make a significant difference to on field performance

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