Ellis is the player we need two of.

no question about it, this is a crazy conversation. as of right now... and hopefully this changes over the next year or so...
Cotchin > Murphy (IMO this is the only slightly debatable one of this list)
Deledio > Gibbs
Riewoldt > Henderson
Martin > Cripps
Maric > Kreuzer
Rance > Rowe
Grigg > Carazzo
Vickery > Casboult
Newman > Walker

Richmond have picked better and developed better then us over the last 5 years, so no surprises at all that we're both where we're at.

Maric > Kreuzer? I definitely think thats debatable on current form.
Newman V Walker, line ball.
Vickery V Casboult, line ball

No doubt Richmond have a better list but I have doubts about some of your assessments above.
As for Martin V Cripps, you're comparing a player in his 6th year to a player in his second. I'd suggest at the same age, Cripps is well in front.

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If all these rumours are true who will be left at the end of the year. Murphy? That is it.

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my assessments are on current playing ability... personally i'd still take Kreuzer ahead of Maric, but given his recent injury history I'd say Maric is still currently a more impactful player, probably not for much longer though.

I'm comparing Martin now with Cripps now.... Martin is well ahead right now, but Cripps still has a whole lot of future ahead of him and hopefully will over take him.

I don't think Cripps v Martin is the right comp when talking how the lists compare. We don't have a Martin (it could be Menzel but he hasn't developed his fitness the way Martin has). I'd say the correct comp is Cripps vs Miles. If the objective is to win a game now, it's line ball. I would have given it to Cripps but after watching Miles vs Hawthorn, now I'm not so sure. In two years time - no contest, Cripps will go past him but in 2015 it's close.

Newman vs Walker - no contest. Playing games is useful, being constantly injured is not.

If I had to win a game in 2015 Maric over Kreuzer any day.

Glad we're enjoying the discussion...

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Our list is barely comparable with Brisbane's list let alone Richmond's!

that's fair, Cripps and Martin are not really a like for like comparison...
Cripps is probably more similar to Deledio then Martin...
and your right Martin is more similar to Menzel... just about 10x the player.

If Deledio's legs were chopped off he would still be faster than Cripps.

The guy that has improved Richmond is Miles. He has allowed Cotchin, Grigg, Martin, Deledio et al to not absorb all the pressure and get it themselves. Miles is the hardball, clearance winner. Miles is a footballer, knows where to find the football and defensively knows where to run. You can't teach that.

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Watching Hammer vs Jacobs while we have Warnock and Wood on our list. This is part of the reason why the club is broken ladies and gentlemen.

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Yep, broken and almost beyond repair.

I rate Wood higher than Hammer simply because they give similar output, but Wood is cheaper.

Jacobs is a gun, that was the worst loss to our team IMO. U18's I remember how good he looked, a natural ruckman.

Jacobs wanted to go home.

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Coz he wasnt getting a go.

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Jacobs had 15 hit outs to advantage v Hammer/Maric with 4 a while ago.

Jacobs is the one to rue. Not Hammer unless you want to give Doc back.

Couldn't care less about Hammer.

That Sydney final should have convinced the hierarchy that Jacobs was the keeper and the other pieces should have fit around him. But hey - it's Carlton.

Hampson massive loss. 1 possession from a full game, and that was from a free kick.

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To be fair, Carlton didnt want to lose Jacobs and he was offered a new contract.
Adelaide offered him more and that was that.
Just stupid list management that we went out and wasted a top 20 pick on Hampson and paid overs for Warnock while we had the best one of all of them in Jacobs on our list.
Jacobs came as a rookie too and we blew it. We all said at the time that this would come back to bite us.