Our new coach - 2016: Brendon Bolton - 25/8/15

camel · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2015 2:27 pm

ThePsychologist wrote:

What to believe? Today's news.

Interim Carlton coach John Barker says he is happy with the process the Blues have undertaken in their bid to find a new coach for 2016 and beyond.

Three days out from his 10th AFL match in the caretaker’s job since replacing the sacked Mick Malthouse, Barker has yet to be formally interviewed for the permanent position.

Current Hawthorn assistant Brendon Bolton, Fremantle assistant Simon Lloyd and Sydney’s Stuart Dew are also understood to be right in the running for the top job.

All three of those clubs will be involved in finals action this year.

Speaking at the annual Peter Mac Cup launch on Wednesday morning, Barker said Blues chief executive Steven Trigg and president Mark LoGiudice had been very clear about their vision for the club, which is languishing in 16th position on the ladder.

“I’ve had nothing but real clear conversations at the moment, with the board, with the CEO,” said Barker.

“They have been really open and transparent about the process that is occurring.

“They need to do their due diligence about who the next coach is going to be, that is just good governance and we are doing that process at the moment.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/j ... 7471005705

scottopee · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:02 am **Posts:** 1724

moshe25 wrote:

scottopee wrote:

Please no more proven coaches!! How many of these actually win flags at another club??..

Barassi
Parkin
Jeans
Walls
Matthews
Malthouse
Blight

Quite a lot, actually....

Yeah we all know that what about the last 20 years??? Matthews Malthouse and Blight. The trend is for coach's to win a flag at their first club..............

camel · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:04 pm

2014 – Clarkson
2013 – Clarkson
2012 – Longmire
2011 – Scott
2010 – Malthouse*
2009 – Thompson
2008 – Clarkson
2007 – Thompson
2006 – Worsfold
2005 – Roos
2004 – Williams
2003 – Matthews*
2002 – Matthews*
2001 – Matthews*
2000 – Sheedy
1999 – Pagan
1998 – Blight*
1997 – Blight*
1996 – Pagan
1995 – Parkin*
1994 – Malthouse*
1993 – Sheedy
1992 – Malthouse*
1991 – Joyce
1990 – Matthews
1989 – Jeans*
1988 – Joyce
1987 – Walls*
1986 – Jeans*
1985 – Sheedy
1984 – Sheedy
1983 – Jeans*
1982 – Parkin*
1981 – Parkin*
1980 – Jewell
1979 – Jesaulenko
1978 – Parkin
1977 – Barassi*
1976 – Kennedy
1975 – Barassi*
1974 – Hafey
1973 – Hafey
1972 – Nicholls

17/42 Premierships won by coaches at their second club in my lifetime. (40%)
7/20 Premierships won by coaches at their second club since (and including) 1995. (35%)

Get a new coach. :thumbsup:

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

camelboy wrote:

2014 – Clarkson
2013 – Clarkson
2012 – Longmire
2011 – Scott
2010 – Malthouse*
2009 – Thompson
2008 – Clarkson
2007 – Thompson
2006 – Worsfold
2005 – Roos
2004 – Williams
2003 – Matthews*
2002 – Matthews*
2001 – Matthews*
2000 – Sheedy
1999 – Pagan
1998 – Blight*
1997 – Blight*
1996 – Pagan
1995 – Parkin*
1994 – Malthouse*
1993 – Sheedy
1992 – Malthouse*
1991 – Joyce
1990 – Matthews
1989 – Jeans*
1988 – Joyce
1987 – Walls*
1986 – Jeans*
1985 – Sheedy
1984 – Sheedy
1983 – Jeans*
1982 – Parkin*
1981 – Parkin*
1980 – Jewell
1979 – Jesaulenko
1978 – Parkin
1977 – Barassi*
1976 – Kennedy
1975 – Barassi*
1974 – Hafey
1973 – Hafey
1972 – Nicholls

17/42 Premierships won by coaches at their second club in my lifetime. (40%)
7/20 Premierships won by coaches at their second club since (and including) 1995. (35%)

Get a new coach. :thumbsup:

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

The denominator shouldn't be number of premierships.

The ratio should be:

number of premierships won by coaches at 2nd (or third) club divided by number of coaches at 2nd (or third) club

COMPARED TO

number of premierships won by new coaches divided by number of new coaches.

Otherwise, you're comparing apples with...... the Rialto Building.

BTW, I don't know what the answer would be, but mathematically, THAT'S the right way to do it.

scottopee · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:02 am **Posts:** 1724

moshe25 wrote:

camelboy wrote:

2014 – Clarkson
2013 – Clarkson
2012 – Longmire
2011 – Scott
2010 – Malthouse*
2009 – Thompson
2008 – Clarkson
2007 – Thompson
2006 – Worsfold
2005 – Roos
2004 – Williams
2003 – Matthews*
2002 – Matthews*
2001 – Matthews*
2000 – Sheedy
1999 – Pagan
1998 – Blight*
1997 – Blight*
1996 – Pagan
1995 – Parkin*
1994 – Malthouse*
1993 – Sheedy
1992 – Malthouse*
1991 – Joyce
1990 – Matthews
1989 – Jeans*
1988 – Joyce
1987 – Walls*
1986 – Jeans*
1985 – Sheedy
1984 – Sheedy
1983 – Jeans*
1982 – Parkin*
1981 – Parkin*
1980 – Jewell
1979 – Jesaulenko
1978 – Parkin
1977 – Barassi*
1976 – Kennedy
1975 – Barassi*
1974 – Hafey
1973 – Hafey
1972 – Nicholls

17/42 Premierships won by coaches at their second club in my lifetime. (40%)
7/20 Premierships won by coaches at their second club since (and including) 1995. (35%)

Get a new coach. :thumbsup:

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

The denominator shouldn't be number of premierships.

The ratio should be:

number of premierships won by coaches at 2nd (or third) club divided by number of coaches at 2nd (or third) club

COMPARED TO

number of premierships won by new coaches divided by number of new coaches.

Otherwise, you're comparing apples with...... the Rialto Building.

BTW, I don't know what the answer would be, but mathematically, THAT'S the right way to do it.

Or just except the fact first club appointed coaches are more likely to win a flag nowadays................

grrofunger · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:34 pm

camelboy wrote:

ThePsychologist wrote:

What to believe? Today's news.

Interim Carlton coach John Barker says he is happy with the process the Blues have undertaken in their bid to find a new coach for 2016 and beyond.

Three days out from his 10th AFL match in the caretaker’s job since replacing the sacked Mick Malthouse, Barker has yet to be formally interviewed for the permanent position.

Current Hawthorn assistant Brendon Bolton, Fremantle assistant Simon Lloyd and Sydney’s Stuart Dew are also understood to be right in the running for the top job.

All three of those clubs will be involved in finals action this year.

Speaking at the annual Peter Mac Cup launch on Wednesday morning, Barker said Blues chief executive Steven Trigg and president Mark LoGiudice had been very clear about their vision for the club, which is languishing in 16th position on the ladder.

“I’ve had nothing but real clear conversations at the moment, with the board, with the CEO,” said Barker.

“They have been really open and transparent about the process that is occurring.

“They need to do their due diligence about who the next coach is going to be, that is just good governance and we are doing that process at the moment.”

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/j ... 7471005705

semantics

everyday the guy is in the role has been an interview/audition

camel · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:37 pm

I'm a simple man moshe, so took the easiest route.

camel · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2015 3:38 pm

scottopee wrote:

Or just except the fact first club appointed coaches are more likely to win a flag nowadays................

I think you want moshe to accept your point, not except it.

[/moshe]

:lol:

scottopee · **Joined:** Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:02 am **Posts:** 1724

camelboy wrote:

scottopee wrote:

Or just except the fact first club appointed coaches are more likely to win a flag nowadays................

I think you want moshe to accept your point, not except it.

:lol:

Yeah ok ...............whatever :sly:

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23921

mute point. :arrow:

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

scottopee wrote:

moshe25 wrote:

camelboy wrote:

2014 – Clarkson
2013 – Clarkson
2012 – Longmire
2011 – Scott
2010 – Malthouse*
2009 – Thompson
2008 – Clarkson
2007 – Thompson
2006 – Worsfold
2005 – Roos
2004 – Williams
2003 – Matthews*
2002 – Matthews*
2001 – Matthews*
2000 – Sheedy
1999 – Pagan
1998 – Blight*
1997 – Blight*
1996 – Pagan
1995 – Parkin*
1994 – Malthouse*
1993 – Sheedy
1992 – Malthouse*
1991 – Joyce
1990 – Matthews
1989 – Jeans*
1988 – Joyce
1987 – Walls*
1986 – Jeans*
1985 – Sheedy
1984 – Sheedy
1983 – Jeans*
1982 – Parkin*
1981 – Parkin*
1980 – Jewell
1979 – Jesaulenko
1978 – Parkin
1977 – Barassi*
1976 – Kennedy
1975 – Barassi*
1974 – Hafey
1973 – Hafey
1972 – Nicholls

17/42 Premierships won by coaches at their second club in my lifetime. (40%)
7/20 Premierships won by coaches at their second club since (and including) 1995. (35%)

Get a new coach. :thumbsup:

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

The denominator shouldn't be number of premierships.

The ratio should be:

number of premierships won by coaches at 2nd (or third) club divided by number of coaches at 2nd (or third) club

COMPARED TO

number of premierships won by new coaches divided by number of new coaches.

Otherwise, you're comparing apples with...... the Rialto Building.

BTW, I don't know what the answer would be, but mathematically, THAT'S the right way to do it.

Or just except the fact first club appointed coaches are more likely to win a flag nowadays................

Not necessarily. You haven't provided any evidence for that.

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

camelboy wrote:

scottopee wrote:

Or just except the fact first club appointed coaches are more likely to win a flag nowadays................

I think you want moshe to accept your point, not except it.

[/moshe]

:lol:

(I resisted..... haha..... you Moshed him).

camel · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2015 4:47 pm

bluegirl72 wrote:

mute point. :arrow:

Stop putting moshe up on his petal stool.

17th Premiership · **Joined:** Fri Dec 15, 2006 8:22 am **Posts:** 2758

moshe25 wrote:

camelboy wrote:

2014 – Clarkson
2013 – Clarkson
2012 – Longmire
2011 – Scott
2010 – Malthouse*
2009 – Thompson
2008 – Clarkson
2007 – Thompson
2006 – Worsfold
2005 – Roos
2004 – Williams
2003 – Matthews*
2002 – Matthews*
2001 – Matthews*
2000 – Sheedy
1999 – Pagan
1998 – Blight*
1997 – Blight*
1996 – Pagan
1995 – Parkin*
1994 – Malthouse*
1993 – Sheedy
1992 – Malthouse*
1991 – Joyce
1990 – Matthews
1989 – Jeans*
1988 – Joyce
1987 – Walls*
1986 – Jeans*
1985 – Sheedy
1984 – Sheedy
1983 – Jeans*
1982 – Parkin*
1981 – Parkin*
1980 – Jewell
1979 – Jesaulenko
1978 – Parkin
1977 – Barassi*
1976 – Kennedy
1975 – Barassi*
1974 – Hafey
1973 – Hafey
1972 – Nicholls

17/42 Premierships won by coaches at their second club in my lifetime. (40%)
7/20 Premierships won by coaches at their second club since (and including) 1995. (35%)

Get a new coach. :thumbsup:

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

The denominator shouldn't be number of premierships.

The ratio should be:

number of premierships won by coaches at 2nd (or third) club divided by number of coaches at 2nd (or third) club

COMPARED TO

number of premierships won by new coaches divided by number of new coaches.

Otherwise, you're comparing apples with...... the Rialto Building.

BTW, I don't know what the answer would be, but mathematically, THAT'S the right way to do it.

Excellent point, Moshe - The denominator is always .....Wayne Johnston :wink:

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

moshe25 wrote:

scottopee wrote:

moshe25 wrote:

camelboy wrote:

2014 – Clarkson
2013 – Clarkson
2012 – Longmire
2011 – Scott
2010 – Malthouse*
2009 – Thompson
2008 – Clarkson
2007 – Thompson
2006 – Worsfold
2005 – Roos
2004 – Williams
2003 – Matthews*
2002 – Matthews*
2001 – Matthews*
2000 – Sheedy
1999 – Pagan
1998 – Blight*
1997 – Blight*
1996 – Pagan
1995 – Parkin*
1994 – Malthouse*
1993 – Sheedy
1992 – Malthouse*
1991 – Joyce
1990 – Matthews
1989 – Jeans*
1988 – Joyce
1987 – Walls*
1986 – Jeans*
1985 – Sheedy
1984 – Sheedy
1983 – Jeans*
1982 – Parkin*
1981 – Parkin*
1980 – Jewell
1979 – Jesaulenko
1978 – Parkin
1977 – Barassi*
1976 – Kennedy
1975 – Barassi*
1974 – Hafey
1973 – Hafey
1972 – Nicholls

17/42 Premierships won by coaches at their second club in my lifetime. (40%)
7/20 Premierships won by coaches at their second club since (and including) 1995. (35%)

Get a new coach. :thumbsup:

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

The denominator shouldn't be number of premierships.

The ratio should be:

number of premierships won by coaches at 2nd (or third) club divided by number of coaches at 2nd (or third) club

COMPARED TO

number of premierships won by new coaches divided by number of new coaches.

Otherwise, you're comparing apples with...... the Rialto Building.

BTW, I don't know what the answer would be, but mathematically, THAT'S the right way to do it.

Or just except the fact first club appointed coaches are more likely to win a flag nowadays................

Not necessarily. You haven't provided any evidence for that.

And just to show you, let's take the last 5 years as an example.

2010 - 2014
No of new coaches: 27
No of new coaches who won flags: 4
%age of new coaches who won flags: 4/27 = 14.8%

No of 2nd or 3rd time coaches: 6
No of 2nd or 3rd time coaches who won flags: 1
%age of 2nd or 3rd time coaches who won flags: 1/6 = 16.7%

And that doesn't include Primus and other interim coaches - just proper full-time coaches.

So, regardless of what we'd like to think (and I actually WANT a new coach), the statistics actually tell a different story.

So, if YOU'RE basing it on statistical success rates in the modern era, then you should be wanting a 2nd or 3rd time coach.

A beautiful example of wrongly using "facts" to back up a desired conclusion rather than weighing up the facts and drawing a conclusion.

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

17th Premiership wrote:

moshe25 wrote:

camelboy wrote:

2014 – Clarkson
2013 – Clarkson
2012 – Longmire
2011 – Scott
2010 – Malthouse*
2009 – Thompson
2008 – Clarkson
2007 – Thompson
2006 – Worsfold
2005 – Roos
2004 – Williams
2003 – Matthews*
2002 – Matthews*
2001 – Matthews*
2000 – Sheedy
1999 – Pagan
1998 – Blight*
1997 – Blight*
1996 – Pagan
1995 – Parkin*
1994 – Malthouse*
1993 – Sheedy
1992 – Malthouse*
1991 – Joyce
1990 – Matthews
1989 – Jeans*
1988 – Joyce
1987 – Walls*
1986 – Jeans*
1985 – Sheedy
1984 – Sheedy
1983 – Jeans*
1982 – Parkin*
1981 – Parkin*
1980 – Jewell
1979 – Jesaulenko
1978 – Parkin
1977 – Barassi*
1976 – Kennedy
1975 – Barassi*
1974 – Hafey
1973 – Hafey
1972 – Nicholls

17/42 Premierships won by coaches at their second club in my lifetime. (40%)
7/20 Premierships won by coaches at their second club since (and including) 1995. (35%)

Get a new coach. :thumbsup:

Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

The denominator shouldn't be number of premierships.

The ratio should be:

number of premierships won by coaches at 2nd (or third) club divided by number of coaches at 2nd (or third) club

COMPARED TO

number of premierships won by new coaches divided by number of new coaches.

Otherwise, you're comparing apples with...... the Rialto Building.

BTW, I don't know what the answer would be, but mathematically, THAT'S the right way to do it.

Excellent point, Moshe - The denominator is always .....Wayne Johnston :wink:

Excellent! :lol:

Big Kahuna Boot · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:43 pm

..in the last decade, swans and cats and hawks have 8 flags between them.. ..all won by first club coaches..

moshe25 · **Joined:** Wed May 11, 2005 1:23 am **Posts:** 11671

Big Kahuna Boot wrote:

..in the last decade, swans and cats and hawks have 8 flags between them.. ..all won by first club coaches..

<sigh>
Yes!!! But there have been far more first time coaches than old coaches, so of course more first time coaches have won flags. But proportionately, not so (if my counting is correct, because THAT I did off the top of my head). Now that I'm home, I'll do it accurately.

My point though is that you have to do the mathematics correctly.

Otherwise you can just get meaningless stats.

Look, here's something else - in the last 15 years:

2000 - Sheedy ..... - 6 letters
2001 - Matthews .. - 8 letters
2002 - Matthews .. - 8 letters
2003 - Matthews .. - 8 letters
2004 - Williams ... - 8 letters
2005 - Roos ........ - 4 letters
2006 - Worstfold .. - 9 letters
2007 - Thompson . - 8 letters
2008 - Clarkson ... - 8 letters
2009 - Thompson . - 8 letters
2010 - Malthouse . - 9 letters
2011 - Scott ........ - 5 letters
2012 - Longmire .. - 8 letters
2013 - Clarkson ... - 8 letters
2014 - Clarkson ... - 8 letters

10 out of the last 15 flags were won by coaches with 8 letters in their surnames. Therefore, we should definitely not get Dew, Lloyd, Barker, or Bolton.

Let's go for ... er... Thompson or Brittain.

murraycray · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:52 pm

me have headache

GWS · **Posted:** Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:03 pm

And Moshe's surname has 8 letters...

:lol:

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