Our new coach - 2016: Brendon Bolton - 25/8/15

doofdoof · **Joined:** Mon Aug 20, 2007 1:54 pm **Posts:** 2251

Blue Vain wrote:

Lets look at Barkers record.
First game 48 hours after Mick was sacked, a 10 goal loss to Sydney. Not much change expected.
Next game, loss to Adelaide Crows. Despite losing Judd early in the game, Carlton hit the lead in the last quarter and went down eventually by 9 points.
Next game, Carlton out tackle, outrun and outplay Port to win by 4 points.
Next game with Gibbs out suspended, Carlton easily account for Gold Coast.
Next game, an 11 point loss to top 8 side Western Bulldogs
Next game, after an even first half, top 8 side Richmond go on to 30 point win despite Carlton recording 74 tackles
Next game, top side Freo dominate the last quarter to obtain a 42 point win.
Next game flogged by Hawthorn.
Last night. Good first half but finals contenders North run away in the second half.

What were people expecting? With Gibbs, Armfield, Thomas, Judd, Graham, Walker, Warnock etc missing large chunks of games, we were competitive with or beat the bottom 8 teams and lost to the top sides.
All this whilst getting game time into our younger players.

Some of our supporters want us to rebuild and do things properly for a change but can't handle the bad results that will come with it. Understandable considering what we've gone through over the last 14 years. Interesting times ahead because we're in for many more bad losses whilst the rebuild happens. Just hope the club can hold its nerve for a change and not succumb to our old ways...

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18022

Big Kahuna Boot wrote:

..it's the change in style of tactics from when barker took over (first game exempt) to the last month or so.. ....and players aren't stupid, they can see what is happening and morale has dropped again..

Change of tactics? Its hard to dictate play when you are completely outclassed. Its no coincidence we played better footy against the lesser sides and we're now struggling against quality sides.
The fact we've played 3 of last years preliminary finalists in the past 4 weeks might have something to do with it as well.
Compounded by the fact our midfield has been decimated by injury.
You're right about one thing, the players aren't stupid. They know we are currently undermanned and outclassed. Make the most of a bad situation I say.
Get games into the kids and see who has the character to compete when the chips are down. Theres always something positive to be gained from a bad situation.

Big Kahuna Boot · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:25 am

Blue Vain wrote:

Big Kahuna Boot wrote:

..it's the change in style of tactics from when barker took over (first game exempt) to the last month or so.. ....and players aren't stupid, they can see what is happening and morale has dropped again..

Change of tactics? Its hard to dictate play when you are completely outclassed. Its no coincidence we played better footy against the lesser sides and we're now struggling against quality sides.
The fact we've played 3 of last years preliminary finalists in the past 4 weeks might have something to do with it as well.
Compounded by the fact our midfield has been decimated by injury.
You're right about one thing, the players aren't stupid. They know we are currently undermanned and outclassed. Make the most of a bad situation I say.
Get games into the kids and see who has the character to compete when the chips are down. Theres always something positive to be gained from a bad situation.

..not dictate play, we can't control a game I agree.. ....we are getting belted no matter how we play, so why not try and play modern competitive footy..?.. ..top four, or top ten, either way all those teams are far better than us this year.. ..tactics should stay the same when the odds of getting belted are the same.. ....under barker we have played two styles of play, only one is even remotely competitive.. ....if you don't hunk their is a directive from the head office, then I envy your faith.. ..maybe I'm just cynical in regards to our club..

Big Kahuna Boot · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2015 9:28 am

..in the current position we are in, bad results will come.. ..that is a given.. ..but instead of trying to be competitive, we are looking to the draft already.. ..instead of trying to undo bad habits, we are reinforcing them..

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3561

Blue Vain wrote:

Lets look at Barkers record.
First game 48 hours after Mick was sacked, a 10 goal loss to Sydney. Not much change expected.
Next game, loss to Adelaide Crows. Despite losing Judd early in the game, Carlton hit the lead in the last quarter and went down eventually by 9 points.
Next game, Carlton out tackle, outrun and outplay Port to win by 4 points.
Next game with Gibbs out suspended, Carlton easily account for Gold Coast.
Next game, an 11 point loss to top 8 side Western Bulldogs
Next game, after an even first half, top 8 side Richmond go on to 30 point win despite Carlton recording 74 tackles
Next game, top side Freo dominate the last quarter to obtain a 42 point win.
Next game flogged by Hawthorn.
Last night. Good first half but finals contenders North run away in the second half.

What were people expecting? With Gibbs, Armfield, Thomas, Judd, Graham, Walker, Warnock etc missing large chunks of games, we were competitive with or beat the bottom 8 teams and lost to the top sides.
All this whilst getting game time into our younger players.

Agree with most of that BV

The "etc" includes Sheehan and Byrne

And I'm starting to like what I see in Holman as well...Should've played last night if Gibson got away with it

Add to the fact that FOR WHATEVER REASON, Hendo, Yarran and Menzel are currently playing well below par and Bell had a quiet game

emtwenty · **Joined:** Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:29 pm **Posts:** 7074

Spot on BV - add at least half a dozen players playing injured because there's no other option.

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 7203

barker out. someone far removed from our last decade of football to be installed.

mcKay needs to get the hell out & replaced immediately too. then have a good long look at our scouting department or whoever has been behind the drafting philosophy of high risk/ high reward drafting, rather then just selecting the best player available.

if the board won't fall on their swords, every other position under them needs a clean out with fresh perspectives and view points introduced, much the same way the eagles, dogs and even the saints have done.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:33 pm

Not sure the club would appoint Barker even if he was the best candidate.

Just think the board will be looking for a good news story in the back end of the year. They'd want something for the fans to swallow and go into the off season with some optimism.

A Barker appointment lacks the sizzle.

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23921

cant shake the feeling it will be S.L.
the psychological nouse would be attractive in our situation
nes pas?
maybe it's just that I'm like Harry with the Sorting Hat going
'not bolton' 'not bolton' not bolton' :razz:

Wangers · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 9:26 pm **Posts:** 1763

What about the players? They cannot be absolved of responsibility. To me, this is where the improvement will come from (by turning over the list) as well as a new coach.

FFS - if you don't want to be there, call it out and we'll send you somewhere else!!!!!

Effes · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:43 pm

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/b ... 7466168077

Blueboy74 · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:48 pm

Effes wrote:

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/brendon-bolton-and-john-barker-the-standouts-for-carlton-coaching-job/story-fnp04d70-1227466168077

Dodging the paywall....

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl/brendon-bolton-and-john-barker-the-standouts-for-carlton-coaching-job/story-fnp04d71-1227466168077

...and if that one doesn't work

http://www.news.com.au/national/brendon-bolton-and-john-barker-the-standouts-for-carlton-coaching-job/story-e6frfkp9-1227466168077

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23921

that article is a big fat nothing. :grin:

Punter22 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:37 am

I think Barker's been doing pretty well while being clearly compromised by club objectives preventing him from chasing the best possible results this season.

That said, there's a huge part of me that wants someone with absolutely no attachment to the 1.5 decade long mess the club has inflicted on itself. If that's Dew, Lloyd or Bolton, so be it. How would anyone who's spent time at Carlton know how a modern and successful club operates.

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

Punter22 wrote:

That said, there's a huge part of me that wants someone with absolutely no attachment to the 1.5 decade long mess the club has inflicted on itself. If that's Dew, Lloyd or Bolton, so be it. How would anyone who's spent time at Carlton know how a modern and successful club operates.

camel · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:41 am

Punter22 wrote:

I think Barker's been doing pretty well while being clearly compromised by club objectives preventing him from chasing the best possible results this season.

That said, there's a huge part of me that wants someone with absolutely no attachment to the 1.5 decade long mess the club has inflicted on itself. If that's Dew, Lloyd or Bolton, so be it. How would anyone who's spent time at Carlton know how a modern and successful club operates.

On the positive side anyone connected to Carlton knows how a modern and successful club does NOT operate.

Punter22 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 11:55 am

camelboy wrote:

Punter22 wrote:

I think Barker's been doing pretty well while being clearly compromised by club objectives preventing him from chasing the best possible results this season.

That said, there's a huge part of me that wants someone with absolutely no attachment to the 1.5 decade long mess the club has inflicted on itself. If that's Dew, Lloyd or Bolton, so be it. How would anyone who's spent time at Carlton know how a modern and successful club operates.

On the positive side anyone connected to Carlton knows how a modern and successful club does NOT operate.

Ha! I was thinking exactly the same. Whatever the likes of McKay think is the right way to go, just do the opposite. Couldn't be worse.

bluechampion · **Joined:** Fri May 06, 2005 1:40 pm **Posts:** 3457

Watching the Bulldogs play yesterday makes me want a coach with no previous connection to our club, allowing for a fresh start for everyone. (Although Beveridge is benefitting from the McCartney's three years of development programs.)

Big Kahuna Boot · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 4:49 pm

..our prez has just said that last weeks record loss won't hurt barkers chances at all.. ..I reckon barker's got the job.. ....doing what he's told by the bosses, and killing off his chances of head coaching anywhere else in the process..

MPH78 · **Posted:** Mon Aug 03, 2015 5:00 pm

Punter22 wrote:

I think Barker's been doing pretty well while being clearly compromised by club objectives preventing him from chasing the best possible results this season.

That said, there's a huge part of me that wants someone with absolutely no attachment to the 1.5 decade long mess the club has inflicted on itself. If that's Dew, Lloyd or Bolton, so be it. How would anyone who's spent time at Carlton know how a modern and successful club operates.

I'm very much the same. To me this is sensible. Which makes Barker a shoe in for the job...

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