fast, accurate movement, with no bias to any part of the ground (clarkson) will always beat the the slow methodical press and flood (lyon).

problem is, you need a good list to carry out clarkson's style. With lyon, you can play with a superstar or two and the rest can be plodders.

it's pretty hard to name one player at hawthorn that they absolutely can't win without, such is the evenness and depth of their list. every other contender you name 1 or 2 players that without, they're not much more than a top 8 team.

I would agree with you BUT, the WCE had disposal last year and the year before that was as bad as any team and awful under pressure. Not a big difference in personnel .

The style of play takes pressure off the guy with the footy as well. Ultimately the best users of the ball will probably win out but it doesn't hurt the less skillful sides as much as you'd expect.

Which is exactly why we shouldn't be active in free agency for a couple of years. In fact i would hope we don't even go down the trade picks for players route of a year or two. I'd rather we stockpile picks for a few years and get some kids in.

Yeah we're going to beat the crows.. Sure!
We can only beat them to whoever is not their preferred option.
But common sense says that the two clubs might prefer different people.
But if we both prefer the same guy we won't get him.
There is no reason why one man might be best for both clubs.
Both clubs are at different stages of being

Briefly, the search for our new senior coach continues. After an exhaustive process of scouring lists, names, references and referrals – we have undertaken a series of preliminary interviews with potential candidates. Those preliminary discussions have centred on assessing the candidates’ 'fit' with our Club and our needs. That is, their personal qualities, experiences and their capacity to be able to specifically lead and develop.

We have been asked many times about the names of potential candidates. While a couple of other clubs have revealed their hand regarding a potential candidate coming from their ranks, it's our concrete policy that we won't talk about any names – out of respect for those people and the process.

What we can say however, is that from the 150+ currently active coaches, development coaches, and indeed ex-coaches – as well as the emerging 20 or so who we have engaged in discussions – there are several who emerge as strong candidates for our Club. We will take them through as rigorous a process as we can, and later next month should be in a position to make a call on it.

Whenever the coach is appointed - I just want it to be early enough so he has a say in list management discussions. Don't want him coming in 3 days before trade period. It's too late to have meaningful input in current carlton players.

yeah you're right.

WCE and the dogs are living proof as to how dramatic of a change the right kind of coach can make.

SOS is the list manager there is no need for the coach to have to much involvement.
Allowing coaches to much say leaves you with Tutt Jones Boeky etc and loses you Betts Waite Garlett etc

No point in appointing a list manager if the coach is going to have all the input