Patrick Smith was 100% correct in this article.

At last someone has the courage to face the truth... Bravo Patrick Smith.

The most important fact though is that the AFL do not care about Carlton. They care about GWS, Port Adelaide, North Melbourne and Brisbane. Carlton is irrelevant to them except when it comes to negotiating TV deals and then all of a sudden they say "look at the crowds we get at Carlton matches". "We got 94,000 to the game Carlton vs Richmond etc" "look at us"...

So if Malthouse and the recruiting staff didn't bring in Thomas, all those spuds from Footscray, GWS etc... would we have been how much better?

There have been some good recruiting decisions and some bad recruiting decisions...but the fact is when you have a rubbish team you can't afford to make ANY bad recruiting decisions, whilst good clubs can afford to make the odd poor decision and it is of no real consequence.

So you are happy with Carlton having lost more matches than any other club in the last 15 years?

Carlton is in a cycle of poor performances...how do you climb out of the cravass in a socialist system without AFL assistance?

If it was a free market football competition then there would be no need to go to the AFL for assistance...but the AFL holds all the cards and they don't give a dammn about Carlton. The past 15 years should have been ample proof of that...the AFL is busy funding North, throwing cash at Port, setting up teams in western Sydney...hell they would throw money at Ganmain Grong Grong Matong's team before they would throw money at Carlton.

15 years of poor performances now means the few Carlton fans who remain are willing to accept what that team served up on the weekend because the opposition team was pretty good.

It is now expected Carlton will lose...it just depends on how much depending on the opposition.

A five goal loss to the AFL sponsored North is "honourable", a ten goal loss "not so good" a 15 goal loss "a bit disappointing" a 20 goal loss " very disappointing".

I can guarantee you one thing I won't be around in 15 years time watching Carlton matches if this merry-go-round of ineptitude continues. I have had enough...and if Brisbane gets the priority pick and Carlton doesn't get it...that is the final straw as far as I am concerned.

This is not about Friday night's performance

This is about our complete ineptitude for over 15 years

Just take a look at our list, which is the worst in the AFL

That is a disgrace considering the amount of early draft picks we have been privy to

Even last year, we decide to make ridiculous decisions at the draft table

Melbourne were forced to relinquish control of it's affairs to the AFL

Carlton are in the same boat

This will be highly embarrassing if this occurs

However, if this leads to a proper independent review of the club then bring it on

I think if youre looking at the loss in isolation you're a fool.
but if you're going back into our history over the millennium and judging the fifteen years in their true pathetic context you're on the right track..

This is without doubt the most pathetic club this millennium without doubt..its been brought here by a galaxy of amateur clowns who have always been happy to point the blame at everybody but themselves..

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We'll see what happens during the last 6 games. MM dragged us down a long way and occasionally those efforts still rears it's ugly head, especially in terms of effort. Until then we've won a couple of games and been competitive. Want to see that run and spread again that we had against the two South Australian sides and the Gold Coast. Trying to play Hawthorn's style of play on Friday was Barker's first real blunder. We don't have the ability to do that and were naturally chewed up badly. Just play to our strengths.

Our list would look better if those in the stands were actually playing. List is ordinary but not as bad as it's looking.

Ratten's efforts here are looking better by the hour.

Mick Malthouse didn't drag us down anywhere.

Who appointed Mick Malthouse, who appointed Brett Ratten who appointed Denis Pagan?


There is a common denominator.

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Well run club except the malthouse and Hughes Rogers thingy..

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Agree. The worst side in the comp over the last 15 years. @#$%&! trying to sugarcoat this, we'd be laughing at any other clubs supporters who put a brave face on such a loss, the worst in our history. All those top draft picks and it comes to this. The years of ineptitude off the field culminates in us being massively in debt, appallingly run, and on our knees. The recruiting of Thomas says it all.

Wait wait...

Stephen Kernahan, Richard Pratt and John Elliot are the same person??

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING

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29 different attributes,
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20 ways to see the world,
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Elliot appointed Pagan, Pratt appointed Ratten, Sticks appointed Malthouse. No common denominator there. Pratt's worked pretty well. As it stands now Ratten did a good job against the backdrop of a crappy on-field culture.

Went from a kick from a PF, to the rabble we are now within a few year? Of course Mick dragged us down. Most it starts at the coach. He's the central figure and the key to extracting performance from the players. We all know that.

Yes they are... its a culture..don't forget fatty mark ...

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Effectively yes though one was a pretty good mark, one could sing a bit and the other was pissed most of the time.

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Whilst they all were given different souls by God.. destiny brought them all together at Carlton to share the very same mentality from the culture they are immersed in.. a culture that has immersed us head deep in mediocrity..

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Went from a Grand Final (1999) to a wooden spoon (2002).

Jesus mentioned something about building a house on solid foundations.

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Went from an eliminational finals win in 2013 to last or second last in 2015 ..the gap between our best and worse is closing

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No you're wrong jimmae, Stephen Kernahan, Richard Pratt and John Elliot (sic) are all different people.

I don't understand where you are coming from because usually you are always right.

NTTIAWWT.

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Have we ever had a president who has presided over 2x 2.5 million dollars plus losses in a row? Wow wee !

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Rubbish - the list wash shot by Ratten. Betts was a mistake. Waite and Garlett not as good as you are claiming. Daisy cost us salary cap that we would have spent anyway on this list. Compare that to who we have added since 2012

Betts happened because the club felt small forwards aren't worth big bucks.. what they were noit paying attention to is big blokes can earn up to double and still score less . set up less and attacking forward tackle less..basically impact less

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