This can't keep happening

grrofunger · **Posted:** Sun Jul 26, 2015 2:40 pm

what he said

camel · **Posted:** Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:09 pm

keogh wrote:

camelboy wrote:

Braithy wrote:

malthouse has set this club back another 2-3+ years by letting go betts, garlett, laidler and Co ... and coming back the other way, tutt, jones, whiley, jacksh etc ...

malthouse screwed the pooch.

Find "Malthouse" replace with "Kernahan".

I hope Sticks is enjoying his reunion drinks tonight, knowing his ineptitude as an adminstrator is inversely proportional to his fine abilities as a player.

FU Kernahan! :sad:

I should have known better than to trust a Glenelg player. :lol:

Good to see you are finally making sense of it all boss
What Synbad and I have been saying for years
If the club goes after Carlise or Aish I will barrack for Collingwood
Go for youth get a dozen or so kids over the next 4 years
Don't get recycled shit
Have those kids become the leaders because the majority of our senior players arnt
MM has set us back around 3 years
I think the club is on the right track it it mustbe prepared to go through pain to get there
Happy to share the pain but won't if we trade good like for a sook like Carlisle or an overrated player like Aishk

MM is merely a symptom of Kernahan's influence at board level.

Granted I've not been as vocal about it, but I wanted Sticks gone back when TBV still existed. He should never have survived post Black Friday.

Donstuie · **Posted:** Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:35 pm

Blue Vain wrote:

Some of the responses to Fridays loss are ridiculously over the top. What did everyone expect? Hawthorn dismantled the ladder leading Fremantle 2 weeks ago and had 30 scoring shots to 10!
A week later they decimate the best defensive side of the past decade in Sydney by 90 points! When they are on, they are an irresistible force. Yes we suffered our biggest loss but I have no doubt we put out on the ground the most inexperienced team in our history. After totally smashing the 2 best defensive sides in the past 2 weeks, what chance did we have? What did people expect? The result was almost inevitable.

Our biggest problem was our inability to defend inside our defensive 25. Hawthorn took too many marks within 25 metres which allowed them to convert well. They dragged Jamison up the ground and our lack of strength and experience inside defensive 25 was exposed. Good coaching by Clarkson.
But lets not cut our wrists just yet. FFS, it was one heavy loss. Several posters who have been praising Barker for 6 weeks are suddenly talking doomsday after 1 game! You can't judge a coach, a team, a club on one game. A number of positive initiatives have been put in place over the past month or so and that isn't eradicated because Hawthorn flogged us.
Look back over their season. They had 38 scoring shots against us but they also had 38 against Geelong. They had 32 against the Bulldogs, 35 against North and 34 against Essendon**, 35 against Melbourne etc etc etc. The killer from us was their conversion because their shots were so close to goal.

I like the fact Barker played kids. I like the fact he hasn't played older players who are injured to protect his own reputation. I like the fact we had 12 players with 50 or less games exposed to Hawthorn. What a lesson they learnt on how to execute a game plan under immense pressure. They saw what's required to be the very best and I have no doubt it will drive them to be better in the pre-season.

So to all those people who are cutting their wrists over one game, giving up on the club and whinging, i say good riddance and @#$%&! off. We have too many supporters who change the strength of their allegiances from week to week anyway. Yes it was incredibly disappointing. Yes it was tough to watch but it was one game. I Liked Kruezer playing as a ruck rover. It wasn't a great success but they tried it. I liked Holmans mongrel. I liked the fact Barker put the clubs interests before his own. We were decimated with injuries to key players and we got flogged. It was always going to happen but have some perspective, it was one game.

Worst loss in the club's history.

Worst loss in:
150 years
Approx 3000(?) games
Approx 300,000(?) minutes
Etc

I think people are entitled to be a bit peeved...

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18005

Peeved?

Some of the responses have been bordering on hysterical.
We probably fielded our worst team ever against one of the most brutal teams we've seen in recent history.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Donstuie wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Some of the responses to Fridays loss are ridiculously over the top. What did everyone expect? Hawthorn dismantled the ladder leading Fremantle 2 weeks ago and had 30 scoring shots to 10!
A week later they decimate the best defensive side of the past decade in Sydney by 90 points! When they are on, they are an irresistible force. Yes we suffered our biggest loss but I have no doubt we put out on the ground the most inexperienced team in our history. After totally smashing the 2 best defensive sides in the past 2 weeks, what chance did we have? What did people expect? The result was almost inevitable.

Our biggest problem was our inability to defend inside our defensive 25. Hawthorn took too many marks within 25 metres which allowed them to convert well. They dragged Jamison up the ground and our lack of strength and experience inside defensive 25 was exposed. Good coaching by Clarkson.
But lets not cut our wrists just yet. FFS, it was one heavy loss. Several posters who have been praising Barker for 6 weeks are suddenly talking doomsday after 1 game! You can't judge a coach, a team, a club on one game. A number of positive initiatives have been put in place over the past month or so and that isn't eradicated because Hawthorn flogged us.
Look back over their season. They had 38 scoring shots against us but they also had 38 against Geelong. They had 32 against the Bulldogs, 35 against North and 34 against Essendon***, 35 against Melbourne etc etc etc. The killer from us was their conversion because their shots were so close to goal.

I like the fact Barker played kids. I like the fact he hasn't played older players who are injured to protect his own reputation. I like the fact we had 12 players with 50 or less games exposed to Hawthorn. What a lesson they learnt on how to execute a game plan under immense pressure. They saw what's required to be the very best and I have no doubt it will drive them to be better in the pre-season.

So to all those people who are cutting their wrists over one game, giving up on the club and whinging, i say good riddance and @#$%&! off. We have too many supporters who change the strength of their allegiances from week to week anyway. Yes it was incredibly disappointing. Yes it was tough to watch but it was one game. I Liked Kruezer playing as a ruck rover. It wasn't a great success but they tried it. I liked Holmans mongrel. I liked the fact Barker put the clubs interests before his own. We were decimated with injuries to key players and we got flogged. It was always going to happen but have some perspective, it was one game.

Worst loss in the club's history.

Worst loss in:
150 years
Approx 3000(?) games
Approx 300,000(?) minutes
Etc

I think people are entitled to be a bit peeved...

Of course they are. Supporters are entitled to be frustrated, angry, fed up, annoyed etc.

It's not just Friday night either. it's just this vicious cycle we are in and have been for a decade and nothings improved, if anything we keep going backwards. The acceptance of the medicority that surrounds this club astounds me.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 18005

ThePsychologist wrote:

The acceptance of the medicority that surrounds this club astounds me.

Rubbish. No one who posts here accepts the mediocrity that surrounds us. But look at the bigger picture. We are initiating a process using external expertise to get a senior coach instead of looking for a silver bullet for the first time in the history of our club. We have our first ever list manager. We are talking rebuild with the acquisition of early draft picks instead of quick fixes.
Yes there's a lot of mediocrity but there are measures in place to finally make steps in the right direction. That didn't suddenly change Friday night.
FFS, it was one game with a heap of young players. Had we lost with Ellard, Carrazzo, Thomas, Gibbs, Armfield, Judd, Walker, Warnock, Menzel etc, I could understand the depth of despair.
The propensity for people to change from clear thinkers to emotional wrecks after 1 week astounds me.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Blue Vain wrote:

ThePsychologist wrote:

The acceptance of the medicority that surrounds this club astounds me.

Rubbish. No one who posts here accepts the mediocrity that surrounds us. But look at the bigger picture. We are initiating a process using external expertise to get a senior coach instead of looking for a silver bullet for the first time in the history of our club. We have our first ever list manager. We are talking rebuild with the acquisition of early draft picks instead of quick fixes.
Yes there's a lot of mediocrity but there are measures in place to finally make steps in the right direction. That didn't suddenly change Friday night.
FFS, it was one game with a heap of young players. Had we lost with Ellard, Carrazzo, Thomas, Gibbs, Armfield, Judd, Walker, Warnock, Menzel etc, I could understand the depth of despair.
The propensity for people to change from clear thinkers to emotional wrecks after 1 week astounds me.

You can relationise Friday night in that way. That's your choice.

For me it was another unacceptable effort in a decade of unacceptable efforts. I also wouldn't class people venting their frustrations or anger as emotional wrecks. It's football, it's the love of the club, it evokes passion and emotion, that's why we follow it.

I actually think it's quite healthy to vent but that's just my opinion.

Hornet · **Joined:** Sat May 21, 2005 5:15 pm **Posts:** 7354

ThePsychologist wrote:

Donstuie wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

Some of the responses to Fridays loss are ridiculously over the top. What did everyone expect? Hawthorn dismantled the ladder leading Fremantle 2 weeks ago and had 30 scoring shots to 10!
A week later they decimate the best defensive side of the past decade in Sydney by 90 points! When they are on, they are an irresistible force. Yes we suffered our biggest loss but I have no doubt we put out on the ground the most inexperienced team in our history. After totally smashing the 2 best defensive sides in the past 2 weeks, what chance did we have? What did people expect? The result was almost inevitable.

Our biggest problem was our inability to defend inside our defensive 25. Hawthorn took too many marks within 25 metres which allowed them to convert well. They dragged Jamison up the ground and our lack of strength and experience inside defensive 25 was exposed. Good coaching by Clarkson.
But lets not cut our wrists just yet. FFS, it was one heavy loss. Several posters who have been praising Barker for 6 weeks are suddenly talking doomsday after 1 game! You can't judge a coach, a team, a club on one game. A number of positive initiatives have been put in place over the past month or so and that isn't eradicated because Hawthorn flogged us.
Look back over their season. They had 38 scoring shots against us but they also had 38 against Geelong. They had 32 against the Bulldogs, 35 against North and 34 against Essendon****, 35 against Melbourne etc etc etc. The killer from us was their conversion because their shots were so close to goal.

I like the fact Barker played kids. I like the fact he hasn't played older players who are injured to protect his own reputation. I like the fact we had 12 players with 50 or less games exposed to Hawthorn. What a lesson they learnt on how to execute a game plan under immense pressure. They saw what's required to be the very best and I have no doubt it will drive them to be better in the pre-season.

So to all those people who are cutting their wrists over one game, giving up on the club and whinging, i say good riddance and @#$%&! off. We have too many supporters who change the strength of their allegiances from week to week anyway. Yes it was incredibly disappointing. Yes it was tough to watch but it was one game. I Liked Kruezer playing as a ruck rover. It wasn't a great success but they tried it. I liked Holmans mongrel. I liked the fact Barker put the clubs interests before his own. We were decimated with injuries to key players and we got flogged. It was always going to happen but have some perspective, it was one game.

Worst loss in the club's history.

Worst loss in:
150 years
Approx 3000(?) games
Approx 300,000(?) minutes
Etc

I think people are entitled to be a bit peeved...

Of course they are. Supporters are entitled to be frustrated, angry, fed up, annoyed etc.

It's not just Friday night either. it's just this vicious cycle we are in and have been for a decade and nothings improved, if anything we keep going backwards. The acceptance of the medicority that surrounds this club astounds me.

The amount of people happy with not only a loss but a heavy loss so we drop below Brisbane's % is disgraceful :oops:

emtwenty · **Joined:** Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:29 pm **Posts:** 7074

We lost to Sydney by 60 points.

They lost to Hawthorn by 89 points.

Losing by 138 points shouldn't be a shock. It fits the pattern.

The lack of tackling intent etc is a concern. But the fact we were belted shouldn't be a surprise whatsoever.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

Hornet wrote:

It's not just Friday night either. it's just this vicious cycle we are in and have been for a decade and nothings improved, if anything we keep going backwards. The acceptance of the medicority that surrounds this club astounds me.

The amount of people happy with not only a loss but a heavy loss so we drop below Brisbane's % is disgraceful :oops:

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I hear people say we had a young side or it was Hawthorn or we should of expected it. Bloody Hell, does that make it right? :mad:

It's just a reiteration of where we are at and IMO it's not good enough. Whether we play kids, have a poor list or whatever that result should NEVER be tolerated. Worst loss in 150 years!

This coming trade period and draft will show whether this club is serious or not.

Blues2005 · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 3:50 pm **Posts:** 2123

Who has said that they are happy with a loss?

Some people are simply able to take the emotion out of it and look at the match and the circumstances surrounding it dispassionately.

We never had a hope in hell of getting close on Friday night. That's just reality.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:39 pm

I understand the need for draft picks and blooding players, but it seem pretty obvious that we tanking now.

I don't know if I agree with it, it's a high risk strategy and it might work.

Unfortunately it leaves me with no team to follow for the balance of 2015.

grrofunger · **Posted:** Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:40 pm

bulldogs

emtwenty · **Joined:** Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:29 pm **Posts:** 7074

this tanking thing better work then. need pick 1 or 2 to get a KPP we desperately need.

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:45 pm

grrofunger wrote:

bulldogs

Not the same.

ThePsychologist · **Joined:** Sun May 03, 2009 9:52 am **Posts:** 7893

grrofunger wrote:

bulldogs

You have to be impressed with what the Bulldogs & St Kilda are doing. Have stripped back the list, brought in new football departments, picked the right players and taken the pain for the long term good of the club and it seems to be working.

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

I'm more impressed in your work in the last few weeks Psych! All over it! Everywhere I turn!

BigKev · **Posted:** Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:42 pm

grrofunger wrote:

tonight will be forgotten about soon enough

things can change very quickly

anyone think the eagles would be 2nd on the ladder this year?

I like your positivity, but I believe this was an all time club record losing margin - might be remembered awhile.

IMO the scourge of this club is professionalism. It became the buzz word years ago.
Professionalism is fine if we're winning flags, if not then I want to see passion. I want to see blokes going nuts when we're losing by that much.

If all we're about is being professional, if it's just a job to these guys, then what the hell am I barracking for?

GWS · **Posted:** Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:44 pm

Blue Vain wrote:

ThePsychologist wrote:

The acceptance of the medicority that surrounds this club astounds me.

Rubbish. No one who posts here accepts the mediocrity that surrounds us. But look at the bigger picture. We are initiating a process using external expertise to get a senior coach instead of looking for a silver bullet for the first time in the history of our club. We have our first ever list manager. We are talking rebuild with the acquisition of early draft picks instead of quick fixes.
Yes there's a lot of mediocrity but there are measures in place to finally make steps in the right direction. That didn't suddenly change Friday night.
FFS, it was one game with a heap of young players. Had we lost with Ellard, Carrazzo, Thomas, Gibbs, Armfield, Judd, Walker, Warnock, Menzel etc, I could understand the depth of despair.
The propensity for people to change from clear thinkers to emotional wrecks after 1 week astounds me.

Only decent post on this site since about 7pm Friday except perhaps for the one I just made in the "What are you listening to?" thread about the Alabama Shakes a few minutes back.

That said, this next trade/draft period is going to say a lot more about where the club's thinking is actually at versus where they say it's at than anything that happens between now and then.

Dominator_7 · **Posted:** Sun Jul 26, 2015 6:57 pm

One of our biggest problems is the ridiculous overreactions of a lot of our fans every time we cop a heavy defeat.
How many times do people from the Club have to come out and say we re going to have to go through some pain before things get better, before people really get a grasp of where we're at. What did they expect going through a rebuild was going to be like. The Club has acknowledged the recruiting/trading mistakes of the past, thus appointing a new List Manager at the end if last year (and a new Recruiting Manager at the end if this year). Despite this, people keep crapping on about our past recruiting/tradcing mistakes every time we lose.
Saying we weren't inexperienced on Friday is ridiculous. Playing 12 players under 50 games experience (and add to that battlers who aren't part of the future like Jones, Tutt, Cunow, Rowe and White) against a red hot team that's the best in over a decade was always going to end up in a dismantling.
Threats from some of no longer buying Memberships, being 'done with the Club', or going to support another side, really says more about the calibre of some of our supporters then our Club.
The Club didn't get caught up in the hyper re. Barker and rightly emphasised they we re still going to go through the process of picking our next coach. Old Carlton would ve been caught up in the hype (remember extending Pagan's contract on the back on the 06 Wizard Cup win).

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