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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:43 pm 
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This is as good as place as any to post this the following article:


http://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/they-s ... 7455137547


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MY football team is coming last.

The young guys aren’t up to it yet, the old guys never really were, while the mid-career guys at the peak of their careers are reaching peaks more Kosciuszko than Everest.
Our attackers can’t attack, our defenders can’t defend and our genius new coach is a genius only on a whiteboard.

A promising player we dumped last year is the form player of the whole competition at his new club, the players we buy from other clubs are washed-up nobodies, while our players who excel in rep games can barely turn their jumpers inside-out without assistance at club level.

The CEO walked out mid-season, our finances are shot, the two factions of the board hate each other, the fans hate the factions, and nobody is convinced that the 15-year-old joint venture was a good idea in the first place.

We have no real home ground to speak of, no crowds at any of the grounds, the pies are cold, the beer is warm, and our club jumpers are stupidly ugly.

Oh, and our lower-grade team has also lost more games than it’s won this year so there’s no hope for the future either.

Meanwhile, tonight our first-grade team takes on the form team of the competition — on live television. Which means half of Australia will be able to squirm in embarrassment right there alongside us.

Just a few more weeks and we’ll secure that treasured piece of timberware, the wooden spoon.

Remarkable, we’ve never yet won a spoon. We do, however, hold the enviable record of making the finals just three times in 16 years.

In a salary cap era when all teams have the same theoretical chance to get their you-know-what together, that’s almost a statistical impossibility.

Ah, but give it time, say the people who know.

If you stare long enough at the ground, the team will still suck.

If you stare long enough at the ground, the team will still suck. Source: istock


After our CEO walked, some faceless suit on the board issued the following piece of corporate gobbledygook: “We look to take the next step in our evolution and a fresh approach to take us to the next level as a professional, world-class sporting organisation.”

World class? I’d settle for suburban class. Meanwhile, the coach is said to be “putting a big emphasis on performances and not worrying about the result”.

Come again? He’s not worried about the result? Is this guy a football coach or a hippie?

The coach apparently also said, “People outside this club don’t really know what we’re doing.”

He’s right. Nobody knows. Although at a glance, your best guess would be: nothing.

Word from club insiders is that the coach has now officially decided to let the young guys play “ad lib” footy.

This, surely, is the clearest sign yet that the coach has given up. I have no idea! Forget the whiteboard! Do whatever you like!

In fairness, it’s not that we’re playing badly for the whole game. As the coach said last week, the 15 minutes before half-time and the 15 afterwards are the main problem. He might also have added the 25 minutes before and after those periods.

So OK, yeah. It is the whole game.

These are dark times. But it’s also a bright period and here’s why.

No, not because next year will be different. Like the cold pies, we don’t buy that anymore.

The reason things are looking up is that fans of good teams get antsy at this time of year. As their team jockeys for position in the top eight, life becomes stressful. Every moment counts. You relive every error and lament the narrow losses like the passing of a friend.

Fans of my club understand that life is stress free by July. You have no expectations, no anxiety. Late winter is much less demanding on the nervous system than March and April when you still harbour deluded hopes of success.

All the same, it’d be nice for the team to do well occasionally. Just once in a while. If only to have something to look forward to in September apart from the warmer weather.

Is that really too much to ask?

By the way, yes, we’re obviously talking about the NRL’s Wests Tigers here. But please feel free to contribute to the conversation in the comments below no matter what team or code you follow. Oh, and if you want to donate some money to former Tigers star Taniela Tuiaki, who is battling to raise money for an operation, you can do that here. Cheers.



I thought they were writing about Carlton too before the last paragraph. :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:47 pm 
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For what it's worth. I have just come back from lunch at a pub in Fitzroy.

I look across the bar and what do I see. None other than Stephen Silvagni sitting on a bar stool talking to Ross Lyon!!!!!!!

Probably discussing why Alex Silvagni isn't getting a game. But....

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:50 pm 
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Keyser Soze wrote:
For what it's worth. I have just come back from lunch at a pub in Fitzroy.

I look across the bar and what do I see. None other than Stephen Silvagni sitting on a bar stool talking to Ross Lyon!!!!!!!

Probably discussing why Alex Silvagni isn't getting a game. But....


Wouldn't read too much into it. They're old mates probably just catching up...


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 1:54 pm 
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Keyser Soze wrote:
For what it's worth. I have just come back from lunch at a pub in Fitzroy.

I look across the bar and what do I see. None other than Stephen Silvagni sitting on a bar stool talking to Ross Lyon!!!!!!!

Probably discussing why Alex Silvagni isn't getting a game. But....


I heard Lyon say on a radio interview that he talks to SOS every week or so and has done for years.

I don't talk to my own family that much.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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...just waiting for a mate.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:00 pm 
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My dad saw mick having lunch with sticks last week. I'm sure cfc was getting the bill.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:02 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
My dad saw mick having lunch with sticks last week. I'm sure cfc was getting the bill.


We'll be paying that bill for years.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 2:03 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
My dad saw mick having lunch with sticks last week. I'm sure cfc was getting the bill.


Mick was just playing a game of Pick-up Sticks.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:35 pm 
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Barker just had his 'coach killer' game

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:38 pm 
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Cimm, BBW and Redback,

Replacing the coach is making a huge difference isnt it? Was I hallucinating or was that the biggest losing margin in the clubs history? According to your simple thinking does that make Barker the worst coach in Carlton's history? Shhh maybe its the list shhh!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 10:57 pm 
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Hornet wrote:
Barker just had his 'coach killer' game

Despite what Macca said at the press conference, Barker now gone.

The emotive impact of a loss like this has finished him.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:00 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:06 pm 
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RickJ wrote:
Hornet wrote:
Barker just had his 'coach killer' game

Despite what Macca said at the press conference, Barker now gone.

The emotive impact of a loss like this has finished him.


But like didn't the captain and some of the other players all come out earlier this week saying like how much they like Barks and how he gives them like confidence and stuff?

And then they dished up this?

I honestly can't understand how Marc Murphy is our captain.

He's obviously a nice young guy but he's just a bunny in the headlights when it comes to leadership and we're not going anywhere whilst he's our captain. I don't blame him. He's a symptom of our malaise rather than a cause.

It's a symptom that replicates itself throughout the club unfortunately.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:10 pm 
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Unfortunately for Barker he now has no chance of getting the position.

Just the way things go. Some people find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:12 pm 
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dadadadada wrote:
Unfortunately for Barker he now has no chance of getting the position.

Just the way things go. Some people find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time.


Craig got appointed Adelaide coach after they lost to Brisbane by 141 points in 2004 - he was caretaker at the time.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 11:15 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Cimm, BBW and Redback,

Replacing the coach is making a huge difference isnt it? Was I hallucinating or was that the biggest losing margin in the clubs history? According to your simple thinking does that make Barker the worst coach in Carlton's history? Shhh maybe its the list shhh!!!!


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Effes wrote:
dadadadada wrote:
Unfortunately for Barker he now has no chance of getting the position.

Just the way things go. Some people find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time.


Craig got appointed Adelaide coach after they lost to Brisbane by 141 points in 2004 - he was caretaker at the time.


That turned out well.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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I think it just goes to show that our problems lay a lot deeper than a coach that has been in the role for only 5 minutes. A combination of poor development, drafting, trading, coaching and leadership over the years leads to Carlton's current plight. Having said that Hawkes are miles ahead of the pack, they just beat Freo and Sydney by 80 points, we were always going to be easy pickings.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Sat Jul 25, 2015 7:00 am 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
Cimm, BBW and Redback,

Replacing the coach is making a huge difference isnt it? Was I hallucinating or was that the biggest losing margin in the clubs history? According to your simple thinking does that make Barker the worst coach in Carlton's history? Shhh maybe its the list shhh!!!!


Gee, you must have been devastated a month ago when we won a couple of games. Sitting there wringing your hands in front of the TV clutching your Mick Malthouse photo.

We got belted by the team that smashed Freo and Sydney the past 2 weeks. Instead of wetting his pants and stocking the side with experience like Mick would have, Barker stuck to his guns, did the right thing by the future of the club and kept playing the kids.
12 players with 50 games experience or less. Look at the improvement in Nick Graham of recent by simply getting an opportunity instead of playing under a coach who looks after his own arse instead of the clubs interests.

Full credit to Barker. He knew it would be ugly but he stuck the course and exposed the kids to the most ruthless team for years. They've seen first hand what's required to be the best. What overwhelming pressure can do to teams.
They tried strategies that would open them up under extreme pressure but they'll learn far more from that than they will by going down the line and trying to limit the damage.
Its an education process now. We need to find out what capabilities the players have and they need to find out what's required if they are afforded the luxury of being retained on the list. They need to be exposed to different strategies and game styles to see whether they can adapt. Not just against the lesser sides but the very best.
Try looking at the big picture for a change.

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