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idle · **Joined:** Fri Jul 05, 2013 10:48 pm **Posts:** 931

4thchicken wrote:

idle wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

idle wrote:

I have to ask, are those stats really relevant considering the types of players and teams or ex-players our now playing with?

10 players at 8 clubs
Trying to get your point.
I think what these stats are showing is that our recruiting may have been on the money and our coaching and development are holding them back.

That's an excellent point I never considered. There's been a lot of talk about our woeful drafting results, so these stats reflect our drafting my not have been that bad, and our development was the culprit after all. Who is responsible for player development @ Carlton? Is it a team of people or does the onus rest upon one individual?

Its not purely player development

Laidler - one bad season with 3 dislocated kneecaps. Dumped for NO compensation
robinson - was performing. Dumped for NO compensation
garlett - one bad season. Dumped for NO compensation
betts - let go and picked up thomas rather than opting to take FA compo (would have been either first round or end of first round)
waite - let go for NO compensation

And all these decisions are made by the board?

jimmae · **Posted:** Sun May 31, 2015 9:43 pm

The board are responsible for the people who are responsible.

SurreyBlue · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 8:32 am **Posts:** 10471

Sydney Blue wrote:

9 8 62 to 16 7 103
Smacked this week
Kennedy 6 4
Waite 3 1
Garlett 2 1
Eddie 2 1
Grigg 2 0
Robbo 1 0

5 to 4 but overall its embarrassing

Blue Sombrero · **Posted:** Sun May 31, 2015 11:04 pm

idle wrote:

Sydney Blue wrote:

idle wrote:

I have to ask, are those stats really relevant considering the types of players and teams or ex-players our now playing with?

10 players at 8 clubs
Trying to get your point.
I think what these stats are showing is that our recruiting may have been on the money and our coaching and development are holding them back.

That's an excellent point I never considered. There's been a lot of talk about our woeful drafting results, so these stats reflect our drafting my not have been that bad, and our development was the culprit after all. Who is responsible for player development @ Carlton? Is it a team of people or does the onus rest upon one individual?

I mentioned it elsewhere as have others in different threads.
Garlett is allowed to run riot at Melbourne and he does. Flies for everything and generally uses his biggest asset, pace. He wasn't really allowed to do that with us, it was all about tackles inside the attacking 50. Same with eddie, who got an enormous amount of goals from tackles and steals.
Eddie looks leaner now, which begs the question on his workrate at trainng and the gym whilst here. he has already said they work herder at Adelaide. On top of that, he is allowed to run riot at Adelaide and does. As well as his defensive efforts, he is attacking and they go to him so he can kick GOTY every week.
Kennedy was traded for Judd while he was still learning his trade here. I recall posting that he had to learn to keep his feet if he were going to amount to anything.
Robbo I loved but he wasn't delisted for his footy. Neither was Garlett. We could use Robbo right now, even though he is playing the same sort of footy at Brisbane as he did at Carlton. I think he was developed OK here. He hs limited ability but he uses it.
Laidler was a good player who was just not in the MM mould. Pity. He goes OK with the Swans.
Waite was lazy with us and will be lazy with NM. He could have been anything. Too much natural ability as Ronald Dale used to say. He could have been Crosswell but decided not to use his talent. Barassi would have turned him into a champion or got rid of him years ago.

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:58 pm

Left this thread alone with teams having the bye but very happy to report we have turned things around over the bye rounds
Blues 31 27
Ex blues 18 11
Waite 3 1
Grigg 0 1
Betts 3 1
Robb 1 1
Jacobs 0 2
Kennedy 6 5
Garlett 5 1

Big big turn around since tge demise of Malthouse and I can honestly say this is one bet I wont mind losing

Go Blues

Sydney Blue · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:41 am

Bit of a running total

Ex blues 166 107 1103
Blues 158 149 1097

there is a goal in it

camel · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:45 am

Good work Sydney, thanks for the update.

bondiblue · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2015 9:59 am

Sydney Blue wrote:

Bit of a running total

Ex blues 166 107 1103
Blues 158 149 1097

there is a goal in it

Thanks for the update.

Love this thread.

Should serve as a lesson regarding valuing talent early and developing it.

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

Josh Kennedy 53 34 352 - Judd trade
Eddie Betts 38 16 244 - Wanted too much $$$ for a small forward / Sick father in Adelaide
Jeff Garlett 29 26 200 - Discipline issues
Jarrad Waite 23 13 151 - Wanted change / 2 year deal @ 32 with history of injuries

143 89 947 or 85% of total.

Not sure what lesson it really serves?

Should we not have taken Judd?
Would we have been complaining about paying 500k a year for Eddie when he went missing in important games?
Should we have kept Jeffy despite him directly lying to the Club?
Was JW worth a 2 year contract all things considered?

bondiblue · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:18 am

dane wrote:

Josh Kennedy 53 34 352 - Judd trade
Eddie Betts 38 16 244 - Wanted too much $$$ for a small forward / Sick father in Adelaide
Jeff Garlett 29 26 200 - Discipline issues
Jarrad Waite 23 13 151 - Wanted change / 2 year deal @ 32 with history of injuries

143 89 947 or 85% of total.

Not sure what lesson it really serves?

Should we not have taken Judd?
Would we have been complaining about paying 500k a year for Eddie when he went missing in important games?
Should we have kept Jeffy despite him directly lying to the Club?
Was JW worth a 2 year contract all things considered?

Jacobs proved to be better ruckman than Kruezer Hampson and Warnock...many on TC picked that.
Garlett proves to be a good forward with desirable pace...wasnt washed up.
Kennedy should not have been traded. Undervalued imo.

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

Jacobs..Can cop that. It was a bad decision. (Not really relevant to this discussion though) I wouldn't rule out Kreuzer yet though...
Garlett's move had nothing to do with him being washed up.
So you didn't want Judd?

bondiblue · **Posted:** Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:25 am

dane wrote:

Jacobs..Can cop that. It was a bad decision. (Not really relevant to this discussion though) I wouldn't rule out Kreuzer yet though...
Garlett's move had nothing to do with him being washed up.
So you didn't want Judd?

Garlett not performing on the field had a lot to do with his spot at Carlton. MM couldnt turn him around. MM couldnt turn anyone around!

Should have, could have held our ground. If we knew he would turn out as he did, we would not had given him away. Agree?

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

1. Did he or did he not lie directly to the Club? Who keeps employees who do that?

2. Hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17943

dane wrote:

1. Did he or did he not lie directly to the Club?

No.

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

Hard to argue with that.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17943

You asked the question.
Garlett admitted he had been out partying. It was Robinson who lied to the club and concocted a story to save his arse.

emtwenty · **Joined:** Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:29 pm **Posts:** 7074

Can't wait to add Yarran & Lachie to this thread next year :/

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

Blue Vain wrote:

You asked the question.
Garlett admitted he had been out partying. It was Robinson who lied to the club and concocted a story to save his arse.

They both lied.

Blue Vain · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:35 am **Posts:** 17943

dane wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

You asked the question.
Garlett admitted he had been out partying. It was Robinson who lied to the club and concocted a story to save his arse.

They both lied.

I wasn't aware of that. It was reported that Garlett fessed up. But obviously you have proof otherwise. Care to share it?

dane · **Joined:** Tue Mar 08, 2005 10:14 am **Posts:** 22357

Blue Vain wrote:

dane wrote:

Blue Vain wrote:

You asked the question.
Garlett admitted he had been out partying. It was Robinson who lied to the club and concocted a story to save his arse.

They both lied.

I wasn't aware of that. It was reported that Garlett fessed up. But obviously you have proof otherwise. Care to share it?

Jake Niall wrote:

The club and its leadership group were particularly incensed that both Robinson and Garlett lied about the incident, which has placed their futures at Carlton in jeopardy, as the Blues consider whether they can be accommodated at a club that is seeking to improve its culture and standards.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/garlett-robinson-need-to-win-back-trust-carlton-20140814-1048ny.html

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