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Wet Willie
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:42 am 
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This...

I haven't been to a match this year and don't plan to waste my time...

I saw a team last night playing no better than what we were served up by Malthouse: no forward structure. sideways kicking, refusing to gang tackle, poor skills

And now we suffer the Carlton PR hype that we have turned the corner...er, no we haven't!!

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Braithy
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:47 am 
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well, yes. that's why malthouse was sacked. he couldn't even achieve an honourable loss. they'd all become blow outs.
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Big Kahuna Boot
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:14 am 
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..we all know we still need to turn over half the list.. ..we carry too many battlers, you can have one or two, but not half a list.. ....and too many succumb to pressure and just get rid of the ball too quickly.. .... ..watch krooz and crisps, they'll often hold onto the ball and you can see them pick which player they handball off to, not just the first option hot potato style.. ..others crucify their team mates with some of the handballs they dish off..

..sneaky tank is on, though why we bother rolling it out vs the top team has me baffled..

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Blue Revival
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:22 am 
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If Yarran and Henderson cant be bothered putting in any effort, then let them see out their days in the Northern Blues. i'm over both of them

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The Normal One
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:40 am 
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The Rhino wrote:
* - Didn't mind Tutt's game, especially early. Coming off a low base, but he looked lively.

* - White smashed the best player in the game.

* - Holman could be good but needs a huge pre-season. Looked cooked five minutes into the third quarter.

* - Fields seems a pointless inclusion.


Tutt looks lively, but also the ball looks like a hot potato when it comes near him. He needs to develop clean hands or move him on, it costs us on the scoreboard more often that not.
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The Rhino
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 11:46 am 
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Who said Henderson's not putting in any effort?

It's just that he's not very good as a forward. Predictable leads, and will often drag 2 defenders back with him to where we had great space in the 50 for Kreuzer or Casboult to lead into.

CHB for mine. Think he very much gives a shit.

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blueboys101
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:15 pm 
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agree with the rhino ,Henderson does care , I just think we over rate him as a footballer ,not A grade.
Docherty was best for us
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emtwenty
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 2:19 pm 
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Playing forward for Carlton is becoming as bad as playing forward for Northern Blues. A death sentence for your career. A place where forwards go to die.
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barass
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grrofunger wrote:
from what i was told tonight barker is coaching to instruction and its about picking a few KPI's each game. (one non negotiable is 65+ tackles)

they are trying to instill confidence back into the group and they all think that playing in a way that limits the damage so to speak will do that.

honorable losses is the key now.

whereas before and after the port win they all thought winning and attacking was the way to go.

SOS had some words about that i believe.

our list is terrible though we do need a top 2 pick and we dont have the cattle to play attacking footy and win against better sides.

we really are a long way off unfortunately


As per usual your sources are impeccable Gro.... SOS was not a happy man after PA win.

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Mickstar
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Freo on the rebound on there own dunghill is one hell of a tough gig.We aquitted ourselves admirably for three quarters.Fell away in the last which is understable.Crazyyy thing is we had more than our share of chances in the first half but unfortunately shot ourselves in the foot too many times............as far as Yarran and his laconic style whats news.Thats him.As big a pain in the backside that he is his talent just screams keep him and work on the guyyy till he turns it around.Until he reaches the point of no return we have to hang on to the guy.Natural talent on our list is badly lacking as it is without giving it away...........Hampson,Grigg,Betts and Garlet seem to be travelling nicely at there new homes.Cant cop it that its the playyyers fault everytime.Screams to me there is something in the water at PP that aint right.

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Humpers
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:33 pm 
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grrofunger wrote:
from what i was told tonight barker is coaching to instruction and its about picking a few KPI's each game. (one non negotiable is 65+ tackles)

they are trying to instill confidence back into the group and they all think that playing in a way that limits the damage so to speak will do that.

honorable losses is the key now.

whereas before and after the port win they all thought winning and attacking was the way to go.

SOS had some words about that i believe.

our list is terrible though we do need a top 2 pick and we dont have the cattle to play attacking footy and win against better sides.

we really are a long way off unfortunately


Yep we need to lose every match from now on - in particular against the Lions in Round 20.
Weitering or Schache please.

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emtwenty
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:35 pm 
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We need to lose and we don't even need to tank. We are genuinely this poor and will get even poorer as we lose a few more players every week.
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BigKev
PostPosted: Sun Jul 19, 2015 8:54 pm 
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cimm1979 wrote:
I really shouldn't have expected too much tonight but I did see about 20 guys working extremely hard, particularly defending.

Yes, plenty of mistakes, but effort.

.....and then I saw two blokes who basically didn't give a stuff and torch the rest of their team mates.

I wouldn't let either of the cauliflower get on the bus.


I didn't see any of the game cimm so am flying blind here. Based on the TC comments though, I'm guessing the two who are walking home are
Yarran and Henderson? (with the ever popular Menzel my next guess).

C'mon Cimm ... name names !! :smile:
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ScottSaunders
PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:28 am 
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cons : just simply not in the same class in the end. we gave ourselves enough opportunity, but too many turn overs and skill errors to compete for 4 quarters.
pros : we play hawks twice, our percentage is sure to take a battering.

I don't think its a case of tanking, I don't think we are anywhere near good enough and will finish last, or 2nd last this year.

lets hope we use the picks 1 or 2, 19 or 20 well .... perhaps drafting Henderson and Yarren gets us two more picks in the top 20? 4 picks in the top 20 and a few father sons that hopefully don't cost too much and turn into decent talent, and we are 6 more players into our rebuild.

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gerry atric wrote:

We can find who isn't up to it, but we have no replacements. Everitt looked very good a few weeks back and now looks awful, maybe he is carrying an injury. Interesting that we gave up #33 for him and pick #37 in that draft was Alex Pearce who will be a ten year chb for the Dockers. Yes retrospective drafting is easy, but our failure at the draft over a decade leaves us where we are. The Dockers had two top ten picks on the field last night and one of them was selected last century. The young players driving their improvement over the last 3-4 years are Fyfe pick #21, Walters pick #58, Lachie Neale #57. So much of the rest of their side are not high picks. We gave up #40 for Jones and various posters thought MM was a genius for getting "The Beast". I guarantee there will be guys who become really good players that were available after #40, and Jones will serve out a generous contract jogging around with the Nthn Blues.



They've certainly had some good picks.

Ok then - so the solution is easy!
We just poach Freo's recruiting team.

Like we did last time.

Then we will be praising our recruiters .....

:thumbsup: :lol:

... wait a minute/..
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Paddycripps
PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:33 am 
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Murphy and White were our only good players.
Curnow racks up the points but reality is his usage is deplorable. If he's not turning it over he is taking too long to get it moving and as a result wasting opportunities to expose the opposition.
Holman is a much better player in the making. Can kick and is quicker off the mark. Holman to replace Ed in 2 years.
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dane
PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 11:34 am 
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We have to keep Ed for another 2 years?!

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aboynamedsue
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99prelim wrote:
Yarran, Menzel and Hendo must go for high draft picks.


I doubt very much we would get a high draft pick for any of those guys at the moment.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:02 pm 
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Coaches votes

Fremantle vs Carlton
9 Hill (Frem)
9 Mundy (Frem)
6 Mayne (Frem)
2 Murphy (Carl)
2 White (Carl)
1 Curnow (Carl)
1 Ibbotson (Frem

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Big Kahuna Boot
PostPosted: Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:39 pm 
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barass wrote:
grrofunger wrote:
from what i was told tonight barker is coaching to instruction and its about picking a few KPI's each game. (one non negotiable is 65+ tackles)

they are trying to instill confidence back into the group and they all think that playing in a way that limits the damage so to speak will do that.

honorable losses is the key now.

whereas before and after the port win they all thought winning and attacking was the way to go.

SOS had some words about that i believe.

our list is terrible though we do need a top 2 pick and we dont have the cattle to play attacking footy and win against better sides.

we really are a long way off unfortunately


As per usual your sources are impeccable Gro.... SOS was not a happy man after PA win.




..if that's part of s.o.s plan, gods help us....

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