i @#$%&! hate that stadium and i hate sitting there watching the same shit from us over and over again against these 2 prick WA teams

why the @#$%&! we think we have to play at subiaco with ZERO players in the forward line is beyond me.

win the ball , look up , nobody there, kick to the opposition anyway ....

just awful

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Many comments so far continue to remind us of the shortcomings of the list and individuals: ok, we get it.
So, who should have played this week instead of Carrots and why? Ditto Curnow.
Would Jones or Watto have been better options forward than Hendo and Levi tonight? (I personally am happy to send Hendo back to defence after a long experiment with him forward but who would have done better forward, basically two out all night?)
We have this list for 6 more weeks, including a stack of injuries - how to we balance being competitive, game style and finding out about blokes?

That's why I didn't go. Knew what we'd likely dish up and knew I wouldn't be able to handle it.

I thought your mate Barker would sort all this stuff out grro??!!

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We are on our way back...

from what i was told tonight barker is coaching to instruction and its about picking a few KPI's each game. (one non negotiable is 65+ tackles)

they are trying to instill confidence back into the group and they all think that playing in a way that limits the damage so to speak will do that.

honorable losses is the key now.

whereas before and after the port win they all thought winning and attacking was the way to go.

SOS had some words about that i believe.

our list is terrible though we do need a top 2 pick and we dont have the cattle to play attacking footy and win against better sides.

we really are a long way off unfortunately

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

Thank god for SOS. Entire fate of our club rests in his hands it would appear.

I hope he knows what he's doing. I really, really do. Otherwise.....

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We are on our way back...

So our forwards cant lead to space once in 4 qtrs?. That isnt talent, it is a lack of effort or bad coaching

we hardly even had forwards , i agree that this was shit

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Yeah but whatabout your whataboutism.

fair point, but the first 3 qtrs were quite good. i just thought the long bombs to no-one out of the backline ruined a good effort. some of those kicks were terrible

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my last one was rubbish

Went to the game, the effort was pretty good for the most part.
Our skills are so poor it's hard to implement any game plan.
Hendo double teamed most of the night. I wouldnt like to be a forward in our set up. Horrible ball movement. Zero thru the corridor.
I'd take a pie and a coke for Yarran.
But we all want the kids to play but cant put up with their errors.....
We got the desired result. Another step closer to a good draft pick.

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I support the Navy Blues whatever happens!

I blame Yarran

I blame menzel

I blame Henderson

I blame Barker

I blame Malthouse

Ordinary football side. 40 odd point loss is above par. More games into Kreuzer, Holman, buckley, cripps. Tick.

Move on expecting the same next week. Make that each week

Yeah, yeah. Lose under your hero Mick, it's the players fault. Lose under Barker, bad coaching.
Your bullshit is so predictable.

FWIW, yes we are undermanned but the players have to learn to play all facets of the game. That includes getting numbers back and using those numbers to run and transfer the ball forward. Its going to take time. Its an education for the players after 2.5 years of bullshit kicking to contests. The days of leaving 6 forwards in position are well and truly gone. The reality is we have to get numbers back and we have to learn how to utilise those numbers. Tom Bell probably kicked the ball away 6 times last night instead of giving it to a running option.
You can't coach those stupid decisions out of players. It takes repetitive training and continually facing those decisions in games before some players will grasp it. But it has to be persevered with. The other 17 teams are learning to play all facets of the game and we have to suck it up and take the time to catch up.

The past 4 weeks have been practice. Playing Hawthorn and Freo test your ball movement and decision making out completely. We need to put it down to experience and use the opportunity to see who is worth persevering with and who isn't.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.

* - Didn't mind Tutt's game, especially early. Coming off a low base, but he looked lively.

* - White smashed the best player in the game.

* - Holman could be good but needs a huge pre-season. Looked cooked five minutes into the third quarter.

* - Fields seems a pointless inclusion.

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BLUES 2010: PAV AND JUDD = FLAGS. DOING IT FOR THE LOVE OF DICK PRATT.

HAVE YOU SIGNED UP FOR TALKINGCARLTON SUPERCOACH 2009 YET?

Well, you can't turn a sow's ear into a silk purse. It was an unbelievably frustrating game, but the fact we managed to hang in for three qtrs was commendable given some of the woeful performances. The reality is that in the first half of the year with a fairly healthy list we were worse than now when we can barely field a team. I find it incredible that KJ isn't getting a game. He must be good enough to get into this team. And who on earth recruited Jones? In a side as weak as ours he is nowhere to be seen.

Docherty, White Murphy Big K Bucks good, Curnow's skills are down but he gets to every contest. Tuohy had a poor night, Levi was unsighted. He is a a good mark, sometimes we need to get it to him one on one quickly. Give Fields at least one opportunity to unleash a torp. Tom Bell has improved but he has to stop just banging the ball as far as he can to no-one in particular.

Yarran just doesn't care, trots around with no urgency, kicks off one step all the time. It is so disappointing that one of the most talented players on the list looks like he couldn't care less. Hendo is in horrible form. Rowe's hands are like concrete, he looked so good ag PA, he was shocking last night. Jammo may have been under the weather after last week's knock, he was awful.

We can find who isn't up to it, but we have no replacements. Everitt looked very good a few weeks back and now looks awful, maybe he is carrying an injury. Interesting that we gave up #33 for him and pick #37 in that draft was Alex Pearce who will be a ten year chb for the Dockers. Yes retrospective drafting is easy, but our failure at the draft over a decade leaves us where we are. The Dockers had two top ten picks on the field last night and one of them was selected last century. The young players driving their improvement over the last 3-4 years are Fyfe pick #21, Walters pick #58, Lachie Neale #57. So much of the rest of their side are not high picks. We gave up #40 for Jones and various posters thought MM was a genius for getting "The Beast". I guarantee there will be guys who become really good players that were available after #40, and Jones will serve out a generous contract jogging around with the Nthn Blues.

I went to one game this season under MM. His stellar 700th, I have been to all the non-interstate games since, but I am afraid I won't be going next week. I hate the Hawks and if they are 12 goals better than the Dockers and the Swans it is going to be ugly.

bit sick of the new carlton marketing post-game plan of hyping up our honourable losses ... rather lose by 60 having a dig and running hard, than lose by 40 chipping it around and playing with no forward plan.


one thing drives me insane, and thats whispers of the arseholes in the suits running this club, and giving negative directives.

if the front office have instructed barker to play like this – for honourable losses – it is pure and utter tanking and an utter pisstake to everyone who's been a member in the last three decades.

just try to win, and let all the other offseason shit take care of itself. they're damaging the brand, the culture and the fabric of our club by tanking.

i can't do too much more of carlton at this rate ... and that's a big statement for something that's been a huge part of my life for the last 36 years.

believe it or not but we had many honourable losses under Mick, not excusing him as he wasn't the answer

agree honourable losses don't get you far, particularly when it occurs over extended periods

unfortunately our list is so ordinary that our expectations have been lowered

can't have a player like Curnow racking up 30 possessions

treading water but can't do much until we start recruiting well