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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:45 pm 
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Yarran, Menzel and Hendo must go for high draft picks. They are collectively flowering useless

Hendo has an over inflated opinion of his self worth. Lake is a better defender and is probably earning half of what Hendo will be offered by Carlton, let alone what other clubs will offer

Casboult can only play one position...FF. We are going nowhere with him

Rowe, Curnow and Carazzo will have their team mates decapitated with their U12 (y= -5x^2) kicking. Should be shown the door at season's end

Holman is a better kick than either those 3 (He is a keeper for me)

Tutt...complete waste of a pick

Bring Jacksh back in and drop Rowe

Docherty is a worry...lots of turnovers

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:45 pm 
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We never played to conditions all night. Slippery ground and slippery ball against a team that were always going to outrun us, yet we seemed to be surprised when we got tackled immediately on taking possession, or slid on our arses when we were trying to stop them getting free of the contest.

A lack of switch options killed us all night, and if there was one we were so slow to take it (assuming we saw it), and the ball was delivered so slowly, the entire point of the switch was worthless because Freo could just one of their spare blokes behind the ball jog to position ready to make a play as needed.

The only thing we got 'right' structurally was the centre clearance work, but I couldn't help but laugh as the commentators lauded us for playing '1v1 there like Hawthorn did', when that's how we've played all year. :lol:

Simpson, Yarran, Cripps and Everitt are all playing injured.

Henderson is seeing the game so well but running to the contest so early, he might as well be lighting a flare and hoisting a neon sign before marking a spot on his back. Walters officially let the cat out of the bag tonight by using him as a step ladder twice; he signals our play to the opposition when we use him forward, and he gives aerially challenged blokes a chance when played in defence. Must have a team high number of kicks smothered as well.

Walsh was used poorly when he was brought on; should have given him a big tick for his fitness and played him from minute one, but when you pick that many talls you're forced to use a small as the sub and he was bottom of the pile. Speaking of talls, the whole reason we've been fading so badly is because we are consistently one tall too many, last week we were two talls too many and we shed one so hopefully the message is sinking in.

Play White or play Fields but stop playing both. Freo's forward personnel vaguely matched up with our defenders in terms of height but they were beaten in terms of foot speed. Imagine if we'd played Dick on Mayne; there's 2, maybe 3 goals off the board.

Another wonderful thing we could have done is not run into each other traffic constantly, which was partly down to the lack of talk (see: Everitt getting clipped by Bell in the 4th) and partly the number of blokes who stop running and ball watch the 1v1 ground ball as if they're hoping for a ball up, only to leave us with no option to pass because they're blocking the view of the guy who wins the ball while standing within touching distance of the bloke tackling him: if they get the handball, they're under pressure immediately. They should be directing them where to send the ball, then either breaking away to receive or putting in a shepherd.

Even Buckley, who normally has laser focus to the point of reacting too quickly to snatch at the football, cost us a couple of times by switching off in defence and then in attack, each time while he was closing an opponent.

I get Barker's working with a few simpleton coaches, simpleton players and a deflated football club, but the fundamentals were poor all night beyond work rate and there was plenty that could have been done in training and even on game day to correct for it.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:48 pm 
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Tutt, Rowe, Casboult, Curnow, White are limited. Fields and Walsh are just starting out and at this point are a little out of their depth. That's a 1/3 of the team. Add in that we're going to get inconsistent output out of young players like Cripps, Holman and to a lesser extent Bell, and that Henderson, Yarran and Everitt were poor.. That leads to this type of result. Factoring all of that in, things could've been worse.

For mine you can't carry 7 guys (the ones listed above) with such limitations. Casboult is important for our structure and Curnow has a role to play, but I don't think the others should be part of any long term plans. Replacements need to be found for them.

Difficult game for Walsh to debut and he unfortunately didn't make an impression. Fields has also failed to make his mark in the 2 games he's played. I thought Holman however was pretty handy and is solidifying a spot. Buckley had one of his best games tonight.

There's a genuine split in kicking ability in our backline. When Tuohy, Yarran, Simpson and Buckley are running off half back we can feel confident, but when we're transferring play through Rowe, White and Jamison it's heart in mouth stuff. Good teams don't have so many players who are poor by foot.

Agree with everyone else on how badly Henderson and Yarran are traveling.

Kruezer was good again I thought. Continues to give us a presence around the ground. Docherty best on in my opinion. He's just a very solid player. Credit to Murphy as well. He cops a bit, but I think he's one of the few smart decision makers we have in the team. Unfortunately the players around him don't make it easy to showcase that at times.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:48 pm 
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I think, looking at the team on the field tonight, that was a par performance for three quarters. The last quarter was disappointing. The run and handball out of the backline from previous weeks completely disappeared.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:54 pm 
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Henderson was a good step ladder tonight.


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Barker: "We played a very good side. I think we had some good effort for three quarters, and were then overwhelmed." #AFLFreoBlues
Barker: "Chris Yarran did a reasonable job. He gave us some good rebound at times." #AFLFreoBlues
Barker: "We could have been a bit smarter when we went forward. We got hurt on the rebound a fair bit." #AFLFreoBlues
Barker: "We need to go out there and play in a manner that befits Carlton. We need to get it right for 4 quarters next week." #AFLFreoBlues
Barker: "We need to make the most of the situation we're in and drive these boys to higher standards." #AFLFreoBlues

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:57 pm 
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Effes wrote:
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Barker: "We played a very good side....

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO :lol:

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 10:59 pm 
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99prelim wrote:
Yarran, Menzel and Hendo must go for high draft picks. They are collectively flowering useless

Hendo has an over inflated opinion of his self worth. Lake is a better defender and is probably earning half of what Hendo will be offered by Carlton, let alone what other clubs will offer

Casboult can only play one position...FF. We are going nowhere with him

Rowe, Curnow and Carazzo will have their team mates decapitated with their U12 (y= -5x^2) kicking. Should be shown the door at season's end

Holman is a better kick than either those 3 (He is a keeper for me)

Tutt...complete waste of a pick

Bring Jacksh back in and drop Rowe

Docherty is a worry...lots of turnovers


Menzel's beem injured most of the year and isn't fit. He's a good player otherwise. You learnt nothing from giving away blokes only to see them star at other clubs? Henderson will be waaaay better at CHB and seems keen on staying. Need to play him in his right spot. no confidence at CHF. Never give away good key position players if you can help it. too hard to trade for, and a long time to develop in the draft. Something not leant either. Casboult is 198cm, where else do you think he's going to play? BTW, he does a fair job in the ruck too and been good this year. Curnow's been a good run-with player, ask Selwood. Need one those types.

Agree with Tutt, a waste, yes. Holman, definitely a keeper and definitely Jaksch in to replace Henderson at cHF, and Henderson to CHB to replace Rowe.

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toddkurnski wrote:
I think, looking at the team on the field tonight, that was a par performance for three quarters. The last quarter was disappointing. The run and handball out of the backline from previous weeks completely disappeared.

Started with Rowe, Jamison, Fields, Buckley, White and Yarran down there with Simpson dropping in.

Tried to hide White a bit by giving him a job on Fyfe at times but he went back into defence eventually. Just not nimble enough in total, not that it was any one talls fault, just too many of them.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:02 pm 
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That's no way to teach young players how to play. Zero forward structure. Barker isn't the man


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:03 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
toddkurnski wrote:
I think, looking at the team on the field tonight, that was a par performance for three quarters. The last quarter was disappointing. The run and handball out of the backline from previous weeks completely disappeared.

Started with Rowe, Jamison, Fields, Buckley, White and Yarran down there with Simpson dropping in.

Tried to hide White a bit by giving him a job on Fyfe at times but he went back into defence eventually. Just not nimble enough in total, not that it was any one talls fault, just too many of them.


I'm not sure you hide a player by getting him to tag the best/2nd best player in the competition.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:05 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
jimmae wrote:
toddkurnski wrote:
I think, looking at the team on the field tonight, that was a par performance for three quarters. The last quarter was disappointing. The run and handball out of the backline from previous weeks completely disappeared.

Started with Rowe, Jamison, Fields, Buckley, White and Yarran down there with Simpson dropping in.

Tried to hide White a bit by giving him a job on Fyfe at times but he went back into defence eventually. Just not nimble enough in total, not that it was any one talls fault, just too many of them.


I'm not sure you hide a player by getting him to tag the best/2nd best player in the competition.


White one of Carlton's best IMO.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:11 pm 
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Considering how many of our senior players are out injured or out of form, I was content with the effort tonight.

Can't expect kids to maintain the intensity for 4 quarters. We had to push numbers back in the last term because we were spent.

Kreuzer (coming back from a 12 month layoff), kids (Cripps & Docherty particularly) & some 'goers' who are just AFL standard but have a crack (White & Curnow) are keeping us competitive. Not going to beat top 4 teams with that mix.

I'm not one to savage our own players much, but Yarran was disgraceful. He can't or won't run. There may well be personal or injury issues we don't know about, but his body language was as bad as Fev at his worst. Such a shame it's come to this with him.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:13 pm 
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jim wrote:
99prelim wrote:
Yarran, Menzel and Hendo must go for high draft picks. They are collectively flowering useless

Hendo has an over inflated opinion of his self worth. Lake is a better defender and is probably earning half of what Hendo will be offered by Carlton, let alone what other clubs will offer

Casboult can only play one position...FF. We are going nowhere with him

Rowe, Curnow and Carazzo will have their team mates decapitated with their U12 (y= -5x^2) kicking. Should be shown the door at season's end

Holman is a better kick than either those 3 (He is a keeper for me)

Tutt...complete waste of a pick

Bring Jacksh back in and drop Rowe

Docherty is a worry...lots of turnovers


Menzel's beem injured most of the year and isn't fit. He's a good player otherwise. You learnt nothing from giving away blokes only to see them star at other clubs? Henderson will be waaaay better at CHB and seems keen on staying. Need to play him in his right spot. no confidence at CHF. Never give away good key position players if you can help it. too hard to trade for, and a long time to develop in the draft. Something not leant either. Casboult is 198cm, where else do you think he's going to play? BTW, he does a fair job in the ruck too and been good this year. Curnow's been a good run-with player, ask Selwood. Need one those types.

Agree with Tutt, a waste, yes. Holman, definitely a keeper and definitely Jaksch in to replace Henderson at cHF, and Henderson to CHB to replace Rowe.

Like Docherty.


Seems like "Menzel is playing injured" is the stock standard excuse for him. I don't buy it. He plays with no intensity. TRADE
Henderson is a B -B+ player who wants an A grade salary. He's a good - very good player. He's no superstar. TRADE
Yarran. Nuff said. TRADE
Casboult is an elite AFL mark. Every other aspect of his game is VFL. We can't carry his many VFL characteristics. Goes missing alot as well
Curnow is a good run with player but for Carlton to move forward, we need him to be AFL standard kick when he has the ball in his hand. Not good enough
I like Docherty as well. He does produce a few too many clangers for me. Hopefully that will change

Watch Holman and his kicking. He is a natural left footer. Keeps ball low and hits targets. Should have been playing earlier.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:15 pm 
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cecil89 wrote:
jimmae wrote:
toddkurnski wrote:
I think, looking at the team on the field tonight, that was a par performance for three quarters. The last quarter was disappointing. The run and handball out of the backline from previous weeks completely disappeared.

Started with Rowe, Jamison, Fields, Buckley, White and Yarran down there with Simpson dropping in.

Tried to hide White a bit by giving him a job on Fyfe at times but he went back into defence eventually. Just not nimble enough in total, not that it was any one talls fault, just too many of them.


I'm not sure you hide a player by getting him to tag the best/2nd best player in the competition.

Hide, in so far as give us a chance to do something at ground level in our defence. He did well on Fyfe at times, but Fyfe just started jumping into marking contests and bringing the ball to ground well.

Difficult player to take out of the game, thankfully he is a shocking kick.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:20 pm 
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Coached to minimise the loss. Disappointing stuff.
Feel for our players and especially the kids who win the ball and have nothing forward to kick too.
Not worth watching.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:29 pm 
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Played Freo in Freo and hung around for 3 quarters - in all honesty, I didn't expect that. Not saying we played well, we didn't, but I'm slightly content it wasn't an embarrassing 60/70+ point drubbing.

I could be wrong but against teams we think we've got a good chance against we play fast paced confident-ish footy. Against teams we think it could get ugly, we play a defensive style of game. I don't know if this something the coaching/match day people plan, or something that's a result of the players themselves? Would love a journo to run that one past Barker.

Didn't get thumped by a team that could well have flogged us. I can live with that. Next week is already giving me nightmares ...


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 18, 2015 11:33 pm 
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Not enough Menzel hate for my liking :cool:



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Barker: "We played a very good side. I think we had some good effort for three quartersTank, and were then overwhelmed." #AFLFreoBlues
Barker: "Chris Yarran did a reasonable job. He gave us some good rebound at times." #AFLFreoBlues
Barker: "We could have been a bit smarter when we went forward. We got hurt on the rebound a fair bit." #AFLFreoBlues
Barker: "We need to go out there and play in a manner that befits CarltonTank. We need to get it right for 4 quarters next week." #AFLFreoBlues
Barker: "We need to make the most of the situation we're in and drive these boys to higher standards.Tank" #AFLFreoBlues

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I really shouldn't have expected too much tonight but I did see about 20 guys working extremely hard, particularly defending.

Yes, plenty of mistakes, but effort.

.....and then I saw two blokes who basically didn't give a stuff and torch the rest of their team mates.

I wouldn't let either of the cauliflower get on the bus.

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