That is the way i see it Cimm. The club probably are not that big on winning at the moment. THinking long term. Maybe they have all decided to spend the rest of the year focusing on getting a defensive edge into the team. A nice starting point for a better future.

It is not as though we are not attacking at all. Its just we balls up a lot of scoring ops with bad skills ,taking poor options and having poor tall forwards. Should be able to tweak that a bit for next season.

At least I'm back to giving a shit.

F... it, i would trade Henderson and Yarran...grab couple top ten picks rebuild next year...aim for finals in 2017/18 sick of seeing teams bulldogs,saints rebuild come past us again,i start to worry we wont see a premiership for a decade!
Geez we are hard to watch live at the game...don't know if its opposition pressure... or pressure to stick to the game plan,we make poor decisions by foot sometimes
Who knows what we can do certainly not me, but i do know i am over watching the blues being beaten by f...... richmond

Yeah perhaps I shouldn't have lumped him in with some of those names. But I don't think that he is a good field kick, as many big fellas aren't. But it's not like he has the same kicking ability as Henderson, Fields or Reiwoldt for example

I didn't say you quoted me. I said, "I don't mind you quoting me." To use your own words,
Either you skim through these posts or your comprehension skills are declining rapidly.
Being old as I am, I have no idea what the first phrase is supposed to mean. Is it even English?

http://www.afl.com.au/video/2015-07-10/full-postmatch-blues

The way Barker speakers and explains things rationally is more and more like Ross Lyon every week.

That's not a bad thing IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman

Totally agree about Henderson. If we are truly rebuilding his future is in defence. Just reads it so well and sets up and is a great foil for Jamison. Could easily be as good as Rance as a defender.

As for Yarran I don't think it's about position but about attitude. Can be a weapon in defence if on. Has really annoyed me the psat few weeks. Everyone is trying and he is letting others down. Shouldn't be tolerated.

As part of the rebuild we should be settling the defence first. A future of:

B: Buckley Jamison Fields
HB: Tuohy Henderson Docherty

Simmo as extra man.

options: Yarran Byrne Sheehan DVR Giles White Smith Jaksch

That could easily be a top 4 defence IMO.

For the rest of the year I'd look at Rowe up forward with Casboult & Everitt with possibly Walker. Rowe & Casboult relieve Kruezer for parts of game. Maybe try Jaksch up forward as well.

Vickery probably will get off because it was a clash of heads and the 'head is sacrosanct" rule is intermittent at best. The inconsistency of the Gibbs/Schultz decisions is absurd and renders the tribunal more of a lottery than even back in the 'Jack Gaffney's Wheel of fortune' days. I still can't believe that Raines savage punch on Cripps didn't even warrant a suspension and got no comment from the million woeful commentators who somehow eake a living in footy media. Apparently punching someone in the guts and putting them in the hands of the trainers for 5 minutes is absolutely okay now. Let's hope all the Auskickers follow this fine lead by the AFL.

Also I certainly agree with criticism of Yarran's effort and leadership (not) and menzels intensity, but Hendo didn't fail through lack of effort, he runs as much as Nick R, but he is a very good CHB who is playing as a solid forward and was thrashed by a fantastic defender. I always had Rance pegged as a crazy brave defender, but I didn't realise he was so good. He is a star and way to good for Hendo, it was a talent thing not an effort thing, and Hendo isn't helped by lack of skill up field and around him.

I still find it incredibly disappointing that the three guys we traded for a precious pick#7 in the draft are battling at VFL level in a side where almost everyone gets a game. I can't believe KJ is not pushing harder for selection than a first year 3rd round rookie. Don't ever swap out of top ten picks unless it is for Judd. We don't need 3 for 1 deals we need players with loads of class. And the higher our pick the more likely we are to get players with class. And in retrospect Shane Rogers is looking okay. Can't remember when he took over from Hughes, but the Cripps, Holman and Graham picks are looking good and Menzel has great talent if he can get fully fit and use his skill. Hope Giles gets a bit of a run at it next year

That really leaves our forward line to be worked out. We need three talls.
1. Has to be casboult
2 rowe/jaksch/watson
3 dre/walker/white/jones

Rowe may be the answer for second tall. His confidence and skills may have improved with his stint down back. He is not a bad kick for goal either.
We have forward options that need to be explored. I would like the rest of the year to be spent trying to find the right forward combination. Lets not go into next season "wondering" if the likes of watson or jones are going to make it or not. A decision on these two players in particular, needs to be made.

Two players we have missed this year, is sheehan and byrne. These guys have the right attitude. Mayber byrne can be changed to hf? Sheehan is more if a straight runner, like tuohy and belongs back.

Smith may be a smoky to hold down the small forward position. Needs to work on his fitness, but a bustling, hard at it small forward, would be a great addition

Blah blah blah stupid people

Blah blah blah I know better

Blah blah blah they're all missing a chromosome because I can't accept mistakes and the realities of ill-discipline

Exactly. With henderson down back we look so much more poised. And with tuohy and doc make a great hb line.

Our mids are doing ok

That really leaves our forward line to be worked out. We need three talls.
1. Has to be casboult
2 rowe/jaksch/watson
3 dre/walker/white/jones

Rowe may be the answer for second tall. His confidence and skills may have improved with his stint down back. He is not a bad kick for goal either.
We have forward options that need to be explored. I would like the rest of the year to be spent trying to find the right forward combination. Lets not go into next season "wondering" if the likes of watson or jones are going to make it or not. A decision on these two players in particular, needs to be made.

Two players we have missed this year, is sheehan and byrne. These guys have the right attitude. Mayber byrne can be changed to hf? Sheehan is more if a straight runner, like tuohy and belongs back.

Smith may be a smoky to hold down the small forward position. Needs to work on his fitness, but a bustling, hard at it small forward, would be a great addition

Mids are solid but we really lack that class and outside run. There is a bit of sameness about our mids.

Smith to me looks better suited to defence but we have plenty of options there. He would certainly make a presence inside forward 50.

I agree about Byrne, could easily be mid or hf. Classy looking player who uses it well and makes good decisions. If we could get Schache/Weitering and some gun mids things can really start to turn around.

I don't think there is anymore "wondering" about Watson or Jones. Not up to it. Maybe next year we could have a forward line with Casboult, Dixon, Schache with Everitt, Smith & Thomas.

Tutt tries, I agree with that, but seriously the amount of poor tackles, poor kicks were too many, and don't start me on the handballs, did he hit a target by hand?