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Braithy
PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:03 am 
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and one more thing.

henderson is so much better as a back, and yarran a much better downhill skier in the forward half, i don't know why we don't swap them permanently.
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cimm1979
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Cazzesman wrote:
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2015-07-10/full-postmatch-blues

The way Barker speakers and explains things rationally is more and more like Ross Lyon every week.

That's not a bad thing IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman


Thought the game style looked very Ross Lyon as well.

Not sure that's going to make a lot of people happy.

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if we're winning and/ or competitive through hard work, gut running and effort through a rebuild with barker, people will stomach it.

lol, at least i will
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cimm1979 wrote:
Cazzesman wrote:
http://www.afl.com.au/video/2015-07-10/full-postmatch-blues

The way Barker speakers and explains things rationally is more and more like Ross Lyon every week.

That's not a bad thing IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman


Thought the game style looked very Ross Lyon as well.

Not sure that's going to make a lot of people happy.


it didn't.
it did not.
he's started overthinking it.

unfortunately, stewy dew might be even more lyonish.
I don't enjoy mega stoppage footy.
I like to watch players run, run, run like happy dogs in an open field.
Doesn't happen too much anymore.

Don't get me wrong, I know there must be great defensive skills, and I reckon we've already improved with that, and I don't mind a few minutes here and there of intense stoppage and tackle work..'
but that was not an enjoyable game.
even with medicinal warming drinks.
:wink:
time to dream of decent draft picks and I hope we establish the game style we want overall.
will we be a fast running corridor team, or a slower, tactical, boundary hugging type, with low scores,
but 'who cares we won' type?
The coaches philosophy is so important I reckon.
(yes, of course we need plans a and b at times, but I mean overall.)

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I believe last night score of 41 was the lowest against Richmond since 1966

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bluegirl72
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remember when we used to thrash 'em by 70..80 points?

good times eh?

sigh.
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Braithy wrote:
henderson is so much better as a back, and yarran a much better downhill skier in the forward half, i don't know why we don't swap them permanently.


Totally agree about Henderson. If we are truly rebuilding his future is in defence. Just reads it so well and sets up and is a great foil for Jamison. Could easily be as good as Rance as a defender.

As for Yarran I don't think it's about position but about attitude. Can be a weapon in defence if on. Has really annoyed me the psat few weeks. Everyone is trying and he is letting others down. Shouldn't be tolerated.

As part of the rebuild we should be settling the defence first. A future of:

B: Buckley Jamison Fields
HB: Tuohy Henderson Docherty

Simmo as extra man.

options: Yarran Byrne Sheehan DVR Giles White Smith Jaksch

That could easily be a top 4 defence IMO.

For the rest of the year I'd look at Rowe up forward with Casboult & Everitt with possibly Walker. Rowe & Casboult relieve Kruezer for parts of game. Maybe try Jaksch up forward as well.

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At least I'm back to giving a shit.

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cimm1979
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He certainly "let them play" in the first few game but since then there been a shift to a defensive style BG.



They have ramped up the defensive pressure almost at the expense of attacking football. We are kicking 5 and 6 goals a game because our skills under pressure are shizen. But even if we were good at this part I'm not sure we'd make enough opportunities to kick 100 points.

Which is ok if we can keep the opposition to 60-80 like we have in the last two games.

Or it May just be he's decided we should get defence and skills under pressure sorted first before becoming more attacking.

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cimm1979 wrote:
He certainly "let them play" in the first few game but since then there been a shift to a defensive style BG.



They have ramped up the defensive pressure almost at the expense of attacking football. We are kicking 5 and 6 goals a game because our skills under pressure are shizen. But even if we were good at this part I'm not sure we'd make enough opportunities to kick 100 points.

Which is ok if we can keep the opposition to 60-80 like we have in the last two games.

Or it May just be he's decided we should get defence and skills under pressure sorted first before becoming more attacking.



fair points.

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Crippa
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sstormin123 wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
sstormin123 wrote:
AFL as a game is rooted. Please, add more rules and interpretations this season and next too!! The umpires, players, commentators and fans all have no idea what is going on. They have stuffed it with overlapping rule after rule - and this is the spectacle we get.

On carlton, that went about as expected. We just don't have enough talented players, that's what happens when you miss so many 1st and 2nd round draft picks over an extended period.

So our skills are poor and we are left with players like Tutt, Bell, Army and co who have glaring deficiencies that just can't cut it.

Hendo smashed up forward, proved how good he can be down back but we all know this.
Menzel couldn't get a sniff, if he isnt training, why isn't he recuperating?
Yarran has lost his head.
Curnow, Carrots, White, Army, Bell, Tutt, wood, Casboult all are poor field kicks. You just can't expect to be a good team with so many bad kicks.

It will take a few years

First of all, AFL is not a game.
Second, Casboult did not miss a kick tonight and also landed a nice 30 metre pass on is left side. His field kicking has never been an issue more than anybody else, unlike his shooting for goal, which is now not so much of an issue. I can understand why posters have favourite players and favourite whipping boys alike but don't make shit up.


Thanks Gramps, I'll remember that, cheers for taking the time to point out. Well worth your time.

Casboult has improved his kicking no doubt, and his goalkicking, I'm a big advocate of his and think he really contributes for us.
But if you think he is a quality field kick, then you are kidding yourself. He did well tonight, but he isn't a consistently a quality kick or decision maker - which is fine, because he is a big bloke and not that many are. The point is, combined with the other buttons of poor kicks in the side, it doesn't give us much of a chance. What part of that 'shit' is made up?


What part? The part where you said Casboult is a poor field kick. Everybody knows his goal kicking flaws but he neither was nor is a poor field kick. I thought "gramps" as you called him made that pretty clear.

At 77% disposal efficiency for the season and an average of only 1 clanger per game for the season I also think the stats make it pretty clear.

He's not amazing but he's definitely improving and was the only unfair judgement in your original post so to keep it in perspective you were totally right about at least 4 or 5 of the others you named so your efficiency stats aren't too bad either :smile:
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The Normal One
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chelodina wrote:
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If Tutt plays another senior game I'll spew up.

If Yarran, Henderson and Menzel don't want to play hard, they can leave.

If the umpires think they had a good game, I give up.



Give me Tutt over those other three Prima Donnas you mention... Sheesh, no bigger princesses in the side- they certainly don't like to get dirty


Tutt tries, I agree with that, but seriously the amount of poor tackles, poor kicks were too many, and don't start me on the handballs, did he hit a target by hand?
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cimm1979 wrote:
He certainly "let them play" in the first few game but since then there been a shift to a defensive style BG.



They have ramped up the defensive pressure almost at the expense of attacking football. We are kicking 5 and 6 goals a game because our skills under pressure are shizen. But even if we were good at this part I'm not sure we'd make enough opportunities to kick 100 points.

Which is ok if we can keep the opposition to 60-80 like we have in the last two games.

Or it May just be he's decided we should get defence and skills under pressure sorted first before becoming more attacking.


Our defensive game has improved significantly under Barker. Team ethos helps, and 60+ tackles a week. We keep developing the team defence and then add more quality to the list, it will see a quick turnaround IMO.
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sstormin123
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Yeah perhaps I shouldn't have lumped him in with some of those names. But I don't think that he is a good field kick, as many big fellas aren't. But it's not like he has the same kicking ability as Henderson, Fields or Reiwoldt for example
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gerry atric
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Agro wrote:
At least I'm back to giving a shit.

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fmurphy30 wrote:
In the absence of a genuine threat for a small forward, maybe its time to send Yarran there. He can kick the spectacular goal, take a mark and generally will attract a quality opponent. All this will open up opportunities for others.

Yazz was sent back because we had Garlett/Betts and no quality runners and users off half back. We now have Tuohy, Buckley, Simpson and Docherty. Time to use him better. He was recruited as a smart half forward. Let's send him back there.

He can play there we all know but he is also one of the most exciting runners in the comp when he can be bothered. His run off half back sets us up further upfield.
BUT
He isn't doing that any more. Maybe the answer is to put him in the forward line and maybe it's to put him in the middle.
Maybe it's to tell him his services are no longer required.

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sstormin123 wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
sstormin123 wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
sstormin123 wrote:
AFL as a game is rooted. Please, add more rules and interpretations this season and next too!! The umpires, players, commentators and fans all have no idea what is going on. They have stuffed it with overlapping rule after rule - and this is the spectacle we get.

On carlton, that went about as expected. We just don't have enough talented players, that's what happens when you miss so many 1st and 2nd round draft picks over an extended period.

So our skills are poor and we are left with players like Tutt, Bell, Army and co who have glaring deficiencies that just can't cut it.

Hendo smashed up forward, proved how good he can be down back but we all know this.
Menzel couldn't get a sniff, if he isnt training, why isn't he recuperating?
Yarran has lost his head.
Curnow, Carrots, White, Army, Bell, Tutt, wood, Casboult all are poor field kicks. You just can't expect to be a good team with so many bad kicks.

It will take a few years

First of all, AFL is not a game.
Second, Casboult did not miss a kick tonight and also landed a nice 30 metre pass on is left side. His field kicking has never been an issue more than anybody else, unlike his shooting for goal, which is now not so much of an issue. I can understand why posters have favourite players and favourite whipping boys alike but don't make shit up.


Thanks Gramps, I'll remember that, cheers for taking the time to point out. Well worth your time.

Casboult has improved his kicking no doubt, and his goalkicking, I'm a big advocate of his and think he really contributes for us.
But if you think he is a quality field kick, then you are kidding yourself. He did well tonight, but he isn't a consistently a quality kick or decision maker - which is fine, because he is a big bloke and not that many are. The point is, combined with the other buttons of poor kicks in the side, it doesn't give us much of a chance. What part of that 'shit' is made up?

You made up the bit about AFL being a game. It's actually not. I thought someone who didn't know that might need it pointed out.
The bit where you think I said he was a quality field kick for starters is made up as well. I don't mind you quoting me. I don't even mind your lack of respect for your elders but please don't make shit up that I didn't say.
His field kicking has never been an issue. You made the part up about his being a poor field kick as well but I should have known you had no idea from the first moment when you thought AFL was actually a game.


Lel BS plz. I didn't quote you. Respecting elders is good one tho, I should do that unequivocally. Thanks!
Either you skim through these posts or your comprehension skills are declining rapidly, Casboult is one of many whose field kicking is an issue. That assessment isn't based on just last nights game.

I didn't say you quoted me. I said, "I don't mind you quoting me." To use your own words,
Either you skim through these posts or your comprehension skills are declining rapidly.
Being old as I am, I have no idea what the first phrase is supposed to mean. Is it even English?

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Blue Sombrero wrote:
fmurphy30 wrote:
In the absence of a genuine threat for a small forward, maybe its time to send Yarran there. He can kick the spectacular goal, take a mark and generally will attract a quality opponent. All this will open up opportunities for others.

Yazz was sent back because we had Garlett/Betts and no quality runners and users off half back. We now have Tuohy, Buckley, Simpson and Docherty. Time to use him better. He was recruited as a smart half forward. Let's send him back there.

He can play there we all know but he is also one of the most exciting runners in the comp when he can be bothered. His run off half back sets us up further upfield.
BUT
He isn't doing that any more. Maybe the answer is to put him in the forward line and maybe it's to put him in the middle.
Maybe it's to tell him his services are no longer required.


I think next year Thomas could easily be our best small forward. Smart enough, knows where the goals, good overhead are and actually works hard defensively. Can also give some relief on ball. I think his major midfield days are past him but we are paying him a lot for a few years yet and I think he would do well.

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Went to the game last night, just thawing out now.
Terrible skills again. Twice this year against Richmond we lost a key player early in the game, just bad luck.
Horrible game to watch, Richmond are not a good side.
The umpiring was terrible, mind boggling at times. The non Kreuzer mark was a beauty.
I hope Vickery gets weeks for his bump on Jamo and that little sniper Cotchin goes for another punch to the stomach.
Yarran and Menzel were very disappointing. Hendo looked better in the backline.
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cimm1979 wrote:
He certainly "let them play" in the first few game but since then there been a shift to a defensive style BG.



They have ramped up the defensive pressure almost at the expense of attacking football. We are kicking 5 and 6 goals a game because our skills under pressure are shizen. But even if we were good at this part I'm not sure we'd make enough opportunities to kick 100 points.

Which is ok if we can keep the opposition to 60-80 like we have in the last two games.

Or it May just be he's decided we should get defence and skills under pressure sorted first before becoming more attacking.


That is the way i see it Cimm. The club probably are not that big on winning at the moment. THinking long term. Maybe they have all decided to spend the rest of the year focusing on getting a defensive edge into the team. A nice starting point for a better future.

It is not as though we are not attacking at all. Its just we balls up a lot of scoring ops with bad skills ,taking poor options and having poor tall forwards. Should be able to tweak that a bit for next season.
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