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AFL as a game is rooted. Please, add more rules and interpretations this season and next too!! The umpires, players, commentators and fans all have no idea what is going on. They have stuffed it with overlapping rule after rule - and this is the spectacle we get.

On carlton, that went about as expected. We just don't have enough talented players, that's what happens when you miss so many 1st and 2nd round draft picks over an extended period.

So our skills are poor and we are left with players like Tutt, Bell, Army and co who have glaring deficiencies that just can't cut it.

Hendo smashed up forward, proved how good he can be down back but we all know this.
Menzel couldn't get a sniff, if he isnt training, why isn't he recuperating?
Yarran has lost his head.
Curnow, Carrots, White, Army, Bell, Tutt, wood, Casboult all are poor field kicks. You just can't expect to be a good team with so many bad kicks.

It will take a few years

First of all, AFL is not a game.
Second, Casboult did not miss a kick tonight and also landed a nice 30 metre pass on is left side. His field kicking has never been an issue more than anybody else, unlike his shooting for goal, which is now not so much of an issue. I can understand why posters have favourite players and favourite whipping boys alike but don't make shit up.


Thanks Gramps, I'll remember that, cheers for taking the time to point out. Well worth your time.

Casboult has improved his kicking no doubt, and his goalkicking, I'm a big advocate of his and think he really contributes for us.
But if you think he is a quality field kick, then you are kidding yourself. He did well tonight, but he isn't a consistently a quality kick or decision maker - which is fine, because he is a big bloke and not that many are. The point is, combined with the other buttons of poor kicks in the side, it doesn't give us much of a chance. What part of that 'shit' is made up?

You made up the bit about AFL being a game. It's actually not. I thought someone who didn't know that might need it pointed out.
The bit where you think I said he was a quality field kick for starters is made up as well. I don't mind you quoting me. I don't even mind your lack of respect for your elders but please don't make shit up that I didn't say.
His field kicking has never been an issue. You made the part up about his being a poor field kick as well but I should have known you had no idea from the first moment when you thought AFL was actually a game.

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AFL as a game is rooted. Please, add more rules and interpretations this season and next too!! The umpires, players, commentators and fans all have no idea what is going on. They have stuffed it with overlapping rule after rule - and this is the spectacle we get.

On carlton, that went about as expected. We just don't have enough talented players, that's what happens when you miss so many 1st and 2nd round draft picks over an extended period.

So our skills are poor and we are left with players like Tutt, Bell, Army and co who have glaring deficiencies that just can't cut it.

Hendo smashed up forward, proved how good he can be down back but we all know this.
Menzel couldn't get a sniff, if he isnt training, why isn't he recuperating?
Yarran has lost his head.
Curnow, Carrots, White, Army, Bell, Tutt, wood, Casboult all are poor field kicks. You just can't expect to be a good team with so many bad kicks.

It will take a few years


Just back from the game and totally agree on those observations.
Gibbs is terrified of the contest. Does not run straight at the ball, ever. Very disappointing game from him. Where is the player we had last year.
Also our captain does not run both ways. Carrazzo days are numbered.
Re the umpires - did not have a good game, so many 50:50 calls went Richmond's way. The game now is so much harder to umpire because the player is not encouraged to go in for the ball. It is a game for the dweller.

Back to watching on line in Beijing next week.

The diving on the footy and diving for the footy and taking the legs have encouraged players to allow their opponents to get the ball and then tackle. It's a silly situation. Now they're going to allow players to tackle high of the ball carrier ducks his head. I'm all for protecting players going for the ball and I don't like duckers but it is getting far too technical and obvious frees are being overlooked as a result. Mind you, there wasn't much overlooked tonight with the whistle blowers on parade.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 1:34 am 
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F... it, i would trade Henderson and Yarran...grab couple top ten picks rebuild next year...aim for finals in 2017/18 sick of seeing teams bulldogs,saints rebuild come past us again,i start to worry we wont see a premiership for a decade!
Geez we are hard to watch live at the game...don't know if its opposition pressure... or pressure to stick to the game plan,we make poor decisions by foot sometimes
Who knows what we can do certainly not me, but i do know i am over watching the blues being beaten by f...... richmond


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We won't get top 10 picks for either.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 2:50 am 
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Menzel 1 kick, 5 handballs... he was really bad last night, but honestly he's been pretty bad all season... this kid has to be dropped to the 2nd's.. forget Tutt, Tutt may not be up AFL standard but at least he's around the play having a dip. something is wrong with Menzel, either mental or physical, and he needs to understand that kind of performance won't be tolerated.

Kreuzer was the highlight for me and I thought Murphy put in a solid, gutsy captains game... he got his head taken off numerous times, punched in the ribs, hit behind the play and he kept getting up and moving the ball forward... outside of those two, not much to be celebrated.


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If Tutt plays another senior game I'll spew up.

If Yarran, Henderson and Menzel don't want to play hard, they can leave.

If the umpires think they had a good game, I give up.



Give me Tutt over those other three Prima Donnas you mention... Sheesh, no bigger princesses in the side- they certainly don't like to get dirty


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http://www.afl.com.au/video/2015-07-10/ ... atch-blues

The way Barker speakers and explains things rationally is more and more like Ross Lyon every week.

That's not a bad thing IMHO.

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Ling and Carey saying Vickery's bump on Jamo was accidental! Accidental? He looked at Jamo, propped, and took him out. I wouldn't be surprised if he's got a broken jaw.


You just know Vickery will get off...


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:48 am 
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In the absence of a genuine threat for a small forward, maybe its time to send Yarran there. He can kick the spectacular goal, take a mark and generally will attract a quality opponent. All this will open up opportunities for others.

Yazz was sent back because we had Garlett/Betts and no quality runners and users off half back. We now have Tuohy, Buckley, Simpson and Docherty. Time to use him better. He was recruited as a smart half forward. Let's send him back there.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 8:53 am 
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one positive and one negative from last night.

negative. our fundamental skills like kicking and handpassing are so below standard. hitting a handpass target through the midfield from 5 metres away is highschool stuff. yet consistently we are handballing behind moving targets and stalling all of our spread, run and effort. goal kicking and general play kicking is a league worst.

high up and unders out of defense. bouncing it in front of leading targets. when Tuohy, and irish lad is your best kick that would be a big enough of a wakeup call for most players. but not the guys at our club. And if levi is our best set shot for goal, and has gotten there by pure hard work and application, what does that say about the rest of the guys who spraying them left, right and centre?

positives. hard to come by. but our effort cannot be questioned. we are running, tackling and putting bodies on the line which is the baseline of what we asked for post malthouse. also ... it's pretty good to see an actual structure and gameplan coming from our kick-ins. it use to be a lotto getting the ball out of own defense after a behind ... now we have a plan, guys in position for blocking she we run it out, short and long targets depending who the other team zones off on.

it shows slowly over time barker is putting his own footprint on the way we play. right now we just don't have the talent and the cattle to be super competitive.

jamison, walker and even simpson look cooked/ spent. the young guys who should have more games in them by now, but dont (thanks malthouse) are behind the development curve, but they can and will get there.

a good offseason, figure out who's going to coach us, and trade the guys who don't wnat to be here, and we're not going to need 5 years to rebuild this thing. 2-3 seasons tops and we're on the way up. imo


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:01 am 
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Vickery probably will get off because it was a clash of heads and the 'head is sacrosanct" rule is intermittent at best. The inconsistency of the Gibbs/Schultz decisions is absurd and renders the tribunal more of a lottery than even back in the 'Jack Gaffney's Wheel of fortune' days. I still can't believe that Raines savage punch on Cripps didn't even warrant a suspension and got no comment from the million woeful commentators who somehow eake a living in footy media. Apparently punching someone in the guts and putting them in the hands of the trainers for 5 minutes is absolutely okay now. Let's hope all the Auskickers follow this fine lead by the AFL.

Also I certainly agree with criticism of Yarran's effort and leadership (not) and menzels intensity, but Hendo didn't fail through lack of effort, he runs as much as Nick R, but he is a very good CHB who is playing as a solid forward and was thrashed by a fantastic defender. I always had Rance pegged as a crazy brave defender, but I didn't realise he was so good. He is a star and way to good for Hendo, it was a talent thing not an effort thing, and Hendo isn't helped by lack of skill up field and around him.

I still find it incredibly disappointing that the three guys we traded for a precious pick#7 in the draft are battling at VFL level in a side where almost everyone gets a game. I can't believe KJ is not pushing harder for selection than a first year 3rd round rookie. Don't ever swap out of top ten picks unless it is for Judd. We don't need 3 for 1 deals we need players with loads of class. And the higher our pick the more likely we are to get players with class. And in retrospect Shane Rogers is looking okay. Can't remember when he took over from Hughes, but the Cripps, Holman and Graham picks are looking good and Menzel has great talent if he can get fully fit and use his skill. Hope Giles gets a bit of a run at it next year


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:06 am 
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Would ve been less than three goals down with all the momentum if Kreuzer had been rightly given that mark and converted.,
Who knows what could ve happened next.
Umpires ruined it.
So many other decisions didn't go our way.
umps had a stiffy for Cotchin all night.
Coz only he gets held at stopages right ?
And then some pople are adamant that umps don't change the course of or influence games.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:08 am 
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braithy wrote:

one positive and one negative from last night.

negative. our fundamental skills like kicking and handpassing are so below standard. hitting a handpass target through the midfield from 5 metres away is highschool stuff. yet consistently we are handballing behind moving targets and stalling all of our spread, run and effort. goal kicking and general play kicking is a league worst.

high up and unders out of defense. bouncing it in front of leading targets. when Tuohy, and irish lad is your best kick that would be a big enough of a wakeup call for most players. but not the guys at our club. And if levi is our best set shot for goal, and has gotten there by pure hard work and application, what does that say about the rest of the guys who spraying them left, right and centre?

positives. hard to come by. but our effort cannot be questioned. we are running, tackling and putting bodies on the line which is the baseline of what we asked for post malthouse. also ... it's pretty good to see an actual structure and gameplan coming from our kick-ins. it use to be a lotto getting the ball out of own defense after a behind ... now we have a plan, guys in position for blocking she we run it out, short and long targets depending who the other team zones off on.

it shows slowly over time barker is putting his own footprint on the way we play. right now we just don't have the talent and the cattle to be super competitive.

jamison, walker and even simpson look cooked/ spent. the young guys who should have more games in them by now, but dont (thanks malthouse) are behind the development curve, but they can and will get there.

a good offseason, figure out who's going to coach us, and trade the guys who don't wnat to be here, and we're not going to need 5 years to rebuild this thing. 2-3 seasons tops and we're on the way up. imo


Good post Braithy esp re Tuohy and Levi. I think you are a tad optimistic with the 2-3 seasons rebuild, but hope you're right. I reckon we need a gun tall forward, a gun tall defender and a couple of mids at least. Still add Stringer, McRae, Bont, Hogan, Brayshaw....but that is a few very, very good drafts. We certainly can't afford three years of Lucas, Watson and Bootsma. We are really suffering for so many years of mediocre drafting.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:37 am 
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dane wrote:
We won't get top 10 picks for either.

yes and that says something about Henderson and Yarran,club and maybe coaching.both relatively low draft picks,coming into prime age wise.but still are not not worth top picks...maybe we could do some package deal...go begging to wayne swan,remember all the millions we paid you all those years ago,give us the number one pick.use that and our first pick on one of weitering/schache and the best available mid that can kick


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 9:58 am 
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Would ve been less than three goals down with all the momentum if Kreuzer had been rightly given that mark and converted.,
Who knows what could ve happened next.
Umpires ruined it.
So many other decisions didn't go our way.
umps had a stiffy for Cotchin all night.
Coz only he gets held at stopages right ?
And then some pople are adamant that umps don't change the course of or influence games.



As much as they had a stiffy for Cotchin all night they had a softy for Murphy all night.

:roll:


Was a disgrace how much he copped without any protection from the maggots and of course no flag was flown by our playing group either,

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Our team has gone through tumultus changes, losing Judd, Betts, Garlett and Waite has wiped away so much of our sublime skills.
Impossible to replace in few seasons. This is a very painful transition period before the Baggers and will be rock bottom for a while. Add the media scrutiny and It's been a disaster.
However, signs have been more positive over the last month, last night's effort was commendable and considering our regular back line was not on the field one could not expect much more.
We need to replace lost skill and natural ability I'd look at Bennell, Aish and any other good ball users we need playmakers, a Dustin Martin type would be the go too.
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http://www.afl.com.au/video/2015-07-10/full-postmatch-blues

The way Barker speakers and explains things rationally is more and more like Ross Lyon every week.

That's not a bad thing IMHO.

Regards Cazzesman



Malthouse could learn a thing or two about communication and public relations by listening to this.

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bmautizio wrote:
I'd look at Bennell, Aish and any other good ball users we need playmakers

yeah maybe we can swap our #1 draft pick for a guy who has talent but is not dedicated and has a drug problem, and for another player who can't get a regular game for the Lions. How about we draft and develop players instead of overpaying for someone else's offcuts.


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In the absence of a genuine threat for a small forward, maybe its time to send Yarran there. He can kick the spectacular goal, take a mark and generally will attract a quality opponent. All this will open up opportunities for others.

Yazz was sent back because we had Garlett/Betts and no quality runners and users off half back. We now have Tuohy, Buckley, Simpson and Docherty. Time to use him better. He was recruited as a smart half forward. Let's send him back there.


Completely agree with this. Tuohy can take the kick ins and we've got enough speed down back now to cover the opposition's quick players. Yarra has to be tried forward in an attempt to work out whether he has a place at the club.


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Blue Sombrero wrote:
sstormin123 wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
sstormin123 wrote:
AFL as a game is rooted. Please, add more rules and interpretations this season and next too!! The umpires, players, commentators and fans all have no idea what is going on. They have stuffed it with overlapping rule after rule - and this is the spectacle we get.

On carlton, that went about as expected. We just don't have enough talented players, that's what happens when you miss so many 1st and 2nd round draft picks over an extended period.

So our skills are poor and we are left with players like Tutt, Bell, Army and co who have glaring deficiencies that just can't cut it.

Hendo smashed up forward, proved how good he can be down back but we all know this.
Menzel couldn't get a sniff, if he isnt training, why isn't he recuperating?
Yarran has lost his head.
Curnow, Carrots, White, Army, Bell, Tutt, wood, Casboult all are poor field kicks. You just can't expect to be a good team with so many bad kicks.

It will take a few years

First of all, AFL is not a game.
Second, Casboult did not miss a kick tonight and also landed a nice 30 metre pass on is left side. His field kicking has never been an issue more than anybody else, unlike his shooting for goal, which is now not so much of an issue. I can understand why posters have favourite players and favourite whipping boys alike but don't make shit up.


Thanks Gramps, I'll remember that, cheers for taking the time to point out. Well worth your time.

Casboult has improved his kicking no doubt, and his goalkicking, I'm a big advocate of his and think he really contributes for us.
But if you think he is a quality field kick, then you are kidding yourself. He did well tonight, but he isn't a consistently a quality kick or decision maker - which is fine, because he is a big bloke and not that many are. The point is, combined with the other buttons of poor kicks in the side, it doesn't give us much of a chance. What part of that 'shit' is made up?

You made up the bit about AFL being a game. It's actually not. I thought someone who didn't know that might need it pointed out.
The bit where you think I said he was a quality field kick for starters is made up as well. I don't mind you quoting me. I don't even mind your lack of respect for your elders but please don't make shit up that I didn't say.
His field kicking has never been an issue. You made the part up about his being a poor field kick as well but I should have known you had no idea from the first moment when you thought AFL was actually a game.


Lel BS plz. I didn't quote you. Respecting elders is good one tho, I should do that unequivocally. Thanks!
Either you skim through these posts or your comprehension skills are declining rapidly, Casboult is one of many whose field kicking is an issue. That assessment isn't based on just last nights game.


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