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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:23 pm 
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Must be nightmare for the young players to have to be a sub.

It's the worst rule ever.

Get an older player to be sub and let the new guys blend in throughout the match.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:24 pm 
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Rexy wrote:
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..getting games into kids is good, getting yet another look at some more regular players that may need to be moved on, also good..


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:51 pm 
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frank dardew wrote:
Good post Club 29

Still think everyone is a bit harsh on Whiley and tutt still both under 23 and room for improvement
7 players under 15 games -people were beside themselves when the dogs did it last year and the year before

We judge our own harshly -Bont who is going to be good has been very average the last 5 games for dogs and last night wasn't as good as graham yet has played 25 games and gets a leave pass whereas we hack into our players that have played less than 15 games

We need more talent and need to draft wisely but let's give the young players a go
I know it's a long time ago but I didn't think when they started Fraser brown or sexton were going to be good and they ended up being fine players
Someone mentioned Simpson iirc he didn't get a possession in his first few games
Perspective

Patience with young players -need a rebuild -we all recognize that now we have one there is a bit of pain but also some frustration

As I said last 4 weeks have been a joy to watch -club for the first time in ages actually doing what they said



I see that Frank, I like Tutt's effort and run but his disposal is awful and I am not sure what can be done about that. I also think that if you lack talent, swapping out of a top ten pick is fraught with danger.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:02 pm 
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Last night was just flat and lacklustre all around. Just had a funny feel.

Thought our effort was good and a lot of positives to come out of it.

Buckley & Graham keep improving
Kruezer getting through games.
Time into Boekhurst, Holman, Johnson & Cripps
I hope Whiley gets a full game next week.

The reality is that our list is poor and we need to sort it out. We need to get as much time and experience into these young players to see if they are worth keeping.

I hope we keep doing what we are doing until the end of the year. The attitude is good and we are trying to play a positive style. I like what's happening.

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Rexy wrote:
Must be nightmare for the young players to have to be a sub.

It's the worst rule ever.

Get an older player to be sub and let the new guys blend in throughout the match.


Totally agree. :thumbsup:

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:05 pm 
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We had a go at a very good up and coming side................we were always in the game.Happy with that myself.................as far as the fringe players are concerned,some will make it,some wont.But every game they get at senior level is a bonus and will give us a clearer view of who we will keep and who we wont.............the lack of polish and class is obvious but is being worked on so that is a plus.............lets shake the shit out of the Tigers next week,they are very gettable.

PS..................Macrae is a shit hot up and coming player with a lot of Scott Pendlebury about him.Reckon he shredded us in the second half.

PS................get off Murphyy's back.Busted his backside with a very hard tag with qquestionable tactics.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:18 pm 
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aboynamedsue wrote:
No Gibbs, Docherty, Menzel, Rowe, Carrazzo, Walker, Thomas (+ Judd). No Everitt after half time and no Cripps in the last quarter.

We got more game time into Buckley, Bell, Graham, Johnson, Holman, Boekhorst, Tutt & Whiley. Not sure about the last two, but the rest should be persisted with.

70 tackles :thumbsup:

Frustrating not to win, but it was a good effort to push a top 8 team like that, considering the side we fielded.

When you lose by 11 points it's hard not to look at the chances we blew in the 2nd term and ask 'what if'. But, to be honest, the Dogs had us covered and would have found a way to win anyway, IMO.

They were simply a bit too good.....but we made them earn it.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:26 pm 
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Out tackled the number 1 tackling side in the league.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:52 pm 
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Out tackled the number 1 tackling side in the league.



Does that make us the title holder?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:42 pm 
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Worried that we have so many players that can't play in the same side together, but there's no real upside to our list by trading them as they have so little value on the market. By which, I refer to Curnow and Carrazzo in the same team and the three ruckmen. Hopefully the former is resolved by Carrazzo retiring at the end of the year rather than losing Curnow for nothing. Shouldn't be allowed to kick the thing, but geez, would love to see the stats in respect of most contests got to by a player, reckon Curnow would be top 3 in the league easily. Covers some serious ground.

On the other hand, game was lost when Everitt subbed out, and we didn't have the luxury of subbing a ruckman off. I like what Wood brings to the table, but think he's the most expendable from a structural perspective for the rest of the year. From a longer term perspective, I wonder if McKay still looks at what the possibility of Kreuzer's compo pick could bring us. Assuming that the pick is higher than what we'd need to pay for say Leunenberger, I think the sum of all parts of such a trade has merit.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:34 pm 
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Boekhorst needs some time. Like Graham, I think he will be ok. Give him a 5 to 6 week guarantee


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:43 pm 
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The skill level was down last night, but the endeavour was there. We worried the Bulldogs significantly and considering where we have come from and the inexperience of the team, it was an OK performance.

Bell and Cripps were well down. Bell has been a superstar in 2nd halves this year. There were more positives than negatives from that game.

There are some obvious holes, but our midfield is brand new and has a future.

We move on. We could have won it with more class, but the youngsters more than matched them. The Bulldogs are on the way up. We definitely have more of a future than a month ago.

Wins are nice but it is now about getting game time into the likes of cripps, Holman, boekhorst and graham and hoping that Bell can step up. He has this year.

We still need to look at KP backs and forwards, but build the midfield first


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:28 pm 
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bluedog wrote:
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Notice in the footy record that Jordan Russell is a coach at the Bulldogs...



And we still couldn't beat them???


I'll bet he's not their kicking coach.


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15-8 free kick count didn't help

The umpiring was universally hopeless. They just put the whistles away. I don't mind that if they are consistent but they do nothing for five minutes and then blow a couple up so we remember they are on the park. At one point I asked myself if they had forgotten the holding the man rule.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:58 am 
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Cazzesman wrote:
There are some fairdinkum deadset tools on this site.

This time last year Buckley, Bell and Graham were never going to make it. Many wanted them sacked and tossed on the scrap heap. Now those 3 are the future according to the same posters

This year it is BB and Johnson after a game or 2 are no good. Will you flower never learn??????????

Just shut the F@#$% up and give them a chance for goodness sake.

:hitcomputer: :hitcomputer: :hitcomputer: :hitcomputer: :hitcomputer:

Regards Cazzesman

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TC is full of people who love to put the knock on the youngsters.
They think everybody has to be BOG every week, forgetting or not realizing there are ebbs and flows and kids need time to develop and that happens at two separate levels, the VFL and on field.
Bell's 'lack of awareness' tag thata arrived after ONE incident where he missed a handball receive that was ill directed has hanted him.
Armfield's HTB in Sydney several years ago where he dared to try and play on and 'cost us the game' has fillowed him until recently. he has gone from being a waste of time to the hero of the day.
I could go on but I'm preaching to the converted in your case.
BB wasn't flash on the weekend but he has had NO opportunity to get used to AFL footy and the intensity of it. We will have to cary him and others for a while and take the losses and the mistakes until they make it or they don't.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:06 am 
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club29 wrote:
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Poor conversion saps confidence


Big Casboult sapped us of confidence at important times. We need to replace him with a better tall forward.

Overall that wasnt too bad a performance from the lineup we had.

Casboult isn't the problem.
He missed that one from the point line.
he dropped one mark he would usually take.
He kicked one of our six goals.
In the second hlf, the ball went into the F50 eleven or twelve times up to the last minute and a half.
Bit hard to do much when the game is being played in one half of the ground.

He still has less than fifty games IIR.or maybe just fifty. If you want to criticize anybody, look at Murphy, who had a shocker. Look at the midfielders who got thrashed in the clearances for three quarters of footy.

Casboult is still our leading goalkicker for the year and you want to replace him. Put someone next to him instead who can kick goals. Give him some crumbers. Do whatever but we didn't lose tonight because of him. We lost because the team we put on the park was collectively flat for three quarters and coouldn't capitalize when they had the running. Like Collingwood.


He was pretty crap and is every second week. The weeks he is ok are not that great. We get blinded by the 2 or 3 big marks against ordinary teams. For us to be a top 6 team we will need a better player in his position.

I agree we didnt lose tonight because of him.

Firstly, he doesn't mark the footy against ordinary teams, he marks it against his opponent of the day. It isn't his fault if we are playing against an ordinary team. He took marks yesterday against a top 8 team with a reasonable defence. He dropped ONE and I would have paid it because he had it before it was punched out IMO but I'm not an umpire.
To misquote you, we get blinded by the fact he takes these huge pack marks and kicks his mandatory two a week and then get pissed off if he doesn't do it every week. What came first, the chicken or the egg? He is pretty consistent on the face of it. Give him a fair crack at it. he's played 50 odd games. Cloke is the one we should compare him to. Similar style of player but a hundred games more experience in games played.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:07 am 
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Yarran is an absolute passenger. Would he have even raised a sweat tonight? Has all the skills but no desire. He should be made to watch Cyril's tape from last night. Gutless display Chris.
Get a trade pick for him.
I'm sure he'd go well in a better side where he can just do the flashy stuff.
He's currently of no use to us.
Zero leadership skills

I disagree.
He should be made to watch his own highlight reel.
He is half the player he was.

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Paddycripps wrote:
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Murphy was truely terrible again.

Commentators questioned why we would have one of our best in Murphy on the bench with 6 mins to go. But he was worthless tonight.


Cripps injured , Murph tagged , the rest were kids.

Some serious overreacting tonight.


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No overreacting
We got to see the fringe kids once and they're not up to it

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:08 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
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15-8 free kick count didn't help

The umpiring was universally hopeless. They just put the whistles away. I don't mind that if they are consistent but they do nothing for five minutes and then blow a couple up so we remember they are on the park. At one point I asked myself if they had forgotten the holding the man rule.

We got 2 frees late in the game to even it up slightly. It appeared that the umpires were instructed not to pay any holding the ball frees, there were so many that should have been paid.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:26 am 
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I am going to the game to see the likes of Johnson, Boekhurst, Graham, Ho;man, Whilley etc.
If we go back to proven mediocre players, I'll take the rest of the year off
Maybe they will turn out mediocre too. But if 2,3 or 4 of them end up decent players, this will have proven to b a critical period in our progress.

Ellard, curnow, Caraazzo should be replacements only.

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