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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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We are going down, I don't think a proven experienced coach with a good track record (eg. Woosha, Bomber) will want to take this job.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
Barker as the temp is the front runner and his results will mean much more than a slick powerpoint presentation and list evaluation.
If he can turn it around this year and has them playing to their skills and with passion, he will get the gig and should.

OK, he came from inside the club two weeks ago but his pedigree is pretty good. He's done his apprenticeship under some pretty big names, not the least of which is Clarkson.

BTW, just wondering how we might have gone with Yarran and Garlett playing last week. Yarran we will have next game but Garlett is playing like a sixteen year old without a worry in the world.

Eddie left. Garlett we kicked out for whatever reason. Loitering with Mitch, maybe. Mistake. Kids go to clubs with issues. Some work it out, some don't. Nobody wanted to touch Franklin or Lewis Jetta and now they're both at Sydney. We could have had Jetta AFAIR. I remember wanting us to get him. Mind you, I wanted the other Garlett as well. Some you get wrong.

Anyway, I reckon Barker will get the gig if he can maintain the rate of improvement. He knows that.

Ross Lyon? Genius? Nah. Good at finishing 2nd. His game plan is like MMs with a bit of extra run through the middle. He's lucky to have Fyfe and Sandi in the same team. He didn't have much say in Sandi and Fyfe was pick what? Fluke?


Barker should NOT get the job, based on what he's shown so far.
He needs to show more.

Famousblueraincoat made a good point in the Adelaide post game thread - this is the same situation as Ratts all over again.

Ratts came in and gave the team some fresh air, buoyed the players' spirits and convinced them to actually suck it up and put in a bit of effort before their Mad Monday celebrations, have a few honourable losses, and everybody thought what a nice guy Ratts was, let's give him the job, etc.

Barker should be held to the same standards as Mick was!!!
(maybe with a slight pro rata handicap for his lower salary)

Simply convincing the team to 'try' and lose by gradually reducing margins is not sufficient!
Nobody was banging down Mick's door to re-sign him last year when we were mediocre, so why should Barker get the job based on a couple of average losses?

The players need to take the heat for switching on and off - and they will. More will go at the end of the year. Just putting in a few token efforts because the mean, stubborn coach got sacked is not sufficient. Barker needs to motivate them to start winning!

Barker has been a low profile assistant, in a mediocre team environment, for the past 4 and half years (maybe it's harsh to describe the whole of Ratts' time as mediocre, but we didn't make a GF). That is a definite strike against him, whether its his fault or not.

There's plenty of successful head coaches who are successful because they had a stellar team of assistants around them. Barker has worked under great coaches - fine. That's a plus.

But he needs to prove he can get the team winning.
Unless he can do that, there is absolutely no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt, or a head start, or favourable consideration, or whatever.

I'd rather take a chance on an assistant who has won premierships in a motivated, consistent team... than gift the job to a mediocre caretaker coach.

If Barker wants to the job he needs to do more to convince me.
There are still 12 rounds to play.
No excuses - 5 or 6 more wins MINIMUM.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Its not about yes to Barker or no. Perhaps this is the fundamental problem with sites like this. We think we know. We think we have an insight.
It's bullshit...our threads are just "selfies" in words.

What I want is to be able to trust the people who will decide so that I can go back to bagging Richmond or Hawthorn or any other damn club I feel like while I watch a string of navy blue champions put another season to rest.

Problem is...Look at the track record of Carlton over the past 15 years...no wonder we take so many selfies...the picture of a club as a shambolic, decrepit, haunted mansion is @#$%&! ugly!.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:50 am 
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Bluey44 wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Barker as the temp is the front runner and his results will mean much more than a slick powerpoint presentation and list evaluation.
If he can turn it around this year and has them playing to their skills and with passion, he will get the gig and should.

OK, he came from inside the club two weeks ago but his pedigree is pretty good. He's done his apprenticeship under some pretty big names, not the least of which is Clarkson.

BTW, just wondering how we might have gone with Yarran and Garlett playing last week. Yarran we will have next game but Garlett is playing like a sixteen year old without a worry in the world.

Eddie left. Garlett we kicked out for whatever reason. Loitering with Mitch, maybe. Mistake. Kids go to clubs with issues. Some work it out, some don't. Nobody wanted to touch Franklin or Lewis Jetta and now they're both at Sydney. We could have had Jetta AFAIR. I remember wanting us to get him. Mind you, I wanted the other Garlett as well. Some you get wrong.

Anyway, I reckon Barker will get the gig if he can maintain the rate of improvement. He knows that.

Ross Lyon? Genius? Nah. Good at finishing 2nd. His game plan is like MMs with a bit of extra run through the middle. He's lucky to have Fyfe and Sandi in the same team. He didn't have much say in Sandi and Fyfe was pick what? Fluke?


Barker should NOT get the job, based on what he's shown so far.
He needs to show more.

Famousblueraincoat made a good point in the Adelaide post game thread - this is the same situation as Ratts all over again.

Ratts came in and gave the team some fresh air, buoyed the players' spirits and convinced them to actually suck it up and put in a bit of effort before their Mad Monday celebrations, have a few honourable losses, and everybody thought what a nice guy Ratts was, let's give him the job, etc.

Barker should be held to the same standards as Mick was!!!
(maybe with a slight pro rata handicap for his lower salary)

Simply convincing the team to 'try' and lose by gradually reducing margins is not sufficient!
Nobody was banging down Mick's door to re-sign him last year when we were mediocre, so why should Barker get the job based on a couple of average losses?

The players need to take the heat for switching on and off - and they will. More will go at the end of the year. Just putting in a few token efforts because the mean, stubborn coach got sacked is not sufficient. Barker needs to motivate them to start winning!

Barker has been a low profile assistant, in a mediocre team environment, for the past 4 and half years (maybe it's harsh to describe the whole of Ratts' time as mediocre, but we didn't make a GF). That is a definite strike against him, whether its his fault or not.

There's plenty of successful head coaches who are successful because they had a stellar team of assistants around them. Barker has worked under great coaches - fine. That's a plus.

But he needs to prove he can get the team winning.
Unless he can do that, there is absolutely no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt, or a head start, or favourable consideration, or whatever.

I'd rather take a chance on an assistant who has won premierships in a motivated, consistent team... than gift the job to a mediocre caretaker coach.

If Barker wants to the job he needs to do more to convince me.
There are still 12 rounds to play.
No excuses - 5 or 6 more wins MINIMUM.

No tanking in return for a job. Just win, Barks

Seen the draw? Who we going to beat?

So mick had the club for 2.5 seasons and l am sure you wouldnt expect him to win 5-6 wins from now on. He implemented his gp. We get in a caretaker coach with no time to implement a gp and you expect him to win 5-6 wins. Not saying barker is the man for the job, but really? 5-6 wins. I would love you as a boss lol. Unrealistic targets


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
PostPosted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 8:59 am 
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Goltzenberg wrote:
Bluey44 wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
Barker as the temp is the front runner and his results will mean much more than a slick powerpoint presentation and list evaluation.
If he can turn it around this year and has them playing to their skills and with passion, he will get the gig and should.

OK, he came from inside the club two weeks ago but his pedigree is pretty good. He's done his apprenticeship under some pretty big names, not the least of which is Clarkson.

BTW, just wondering how we might have gone with Yarran and Garlett playing last week. Yarran we will have next game but Garlett is playing like a sixteen year old without a worry in the world.

Eddie left. Garlett we kicked out for whatever reason. Loitering with Mitch, maybe. Mistake. Kids go to clubs with issues. Some work it out, some don't. Nobody wanted to touch Franklin or Lewis Jetta and now they're both at Sydney. We could have had Jetta AFAIR. I remember wanting us to get him. Mind you, I wanted the other Garlett as well. Some you get wrong.

Anyway, I reckon Barker will get the gig if he can maintain the rate of improvement. He knows that.

Ross Lyon? Genius? Nah. Good at finishing 2nd. His game plan is like MMs with a bit of extra run through the middle. He's lucky to have Fyfe and Sandi in the same team. He didn't have much say in Sandi and Fyfe was pick what? Fluke?


Barker should NOT get the job, based on what he's shown so far.
He needs to show more.

Famousblueraincoat made a good point in the Adelaide post game thread - this is the same situation as Ratts all over again.

Ratts came in and gave the team some fresh air, buoyed the players' spirits and convinced them to actually suck it up and put in a bit of effort before their Mad Monday celebrations, have a few honourable losses, and everybody thought what a nice guy Ratts was, let's give him the job, etc.

Barker should be held to the same standards as Mick was!!!
(maybe with a slight pro rata handicap for his lower salary)

Simply convincing the team to 'try' and lose by gradually reducing margins is not sufficient!
Nobody was banging down Mick's door to re-sign him last year when we were mediocre, so why should Barker get the job based on a couple of average losses?

The players need to take the heat for switching on and off - and they will. More will go at the end of the year. Just putting in a few token efforts because the mean, stubborn coach got sacked is not sufficient. Barker needs to motivate them to start winning!

Barker has been a low profile assistant, in a mediocre team environment, for the past 4 and half years (maybe it's harsh to describe the whole of Ratts' time as mediocre, but we didn't make a GF). That is a definite strike against him, whether its his fault or not.

There's plenty of successful head coaches who are successful because they had a stellar team of assistants around them. Barker has worked under great coaches - fine. That's a plus.

But he needs to prove he can get the team winning.
Unless he can do that, there is absolutely no reason to give him the benefit of the doubt, or a head start, or favourable consideration, or whatever.

I'd rather take a chance on an assistant who has won premierships in a motivated, consistent team... than gift the job to a mediocre caretaker coach.

If Barker wants to the job he needs to do more to convince me.
There are still 12 rounds to play.
No excuses - 5 or 6 more wins MINIMUM.

No tanking in return for a job. Just win, Barks

Seen the draw? Who we going to beat?

So mick had the club for 2.5 seasons and l am sure you wouldnt expect him to win 5-6 wins from now on. He implemented his gp. We get in a caretaker coach with no time to implement a gp and you expect him to win 5-6 wins. Not saying barker is the man for the job, but really? 5-6 wins. I would love you as a boss lol. Unrealistic targets

I think we will go close to that
The performance of this team between now and the end of the year will determine if Barker gets the job .
You can see a difference already
Losing Judd wont help his cause but is we regain Gibbs Yarran and Jamo without losing others
5 to 6 wins is not out of the question

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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think we'll have to play well just to win 3.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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dannyboy wrote:
think we'll have to play well just to win 3.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Depends upon what we and Barker are trying to achieve.

If we about development and get games into and trialling Graham, Walsh, Jaksch, Holman etc then we will struggle to win games. However, that is what I believe we should be doing.

If we keep playing the more mature players and "our best 22" at the moment then I could see us winning 2-3 games.

Depends on our priorities and what the club is asking Barker to do.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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dannyboy wrote:
Its not about yes to Barker or no. Perhaps this is the fundamental problem with sites like this. We think we know. We think we have an insight.
It's bullshit...our threads are just "selfies" in words.

What I want is to be able to trust the people who will decide so that I can go back to bagging Richmond or Hawthorn or any other damn club I feel like while I watch a string of navy blue champions put another season to rest.

Problem is...Look at the track record of Carlton over the past 15 years...no wonder we take so many selfies...the picture of a club as a shambolic, decrepit, haunted mansion is @#$%&! ugly!.

:clap: What a great post. My sentiments exactly.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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dannyboy wrote:
Its not about yes to Barker or no. Perhaps this is the fundamental problem with sites like this. We think we know. We think we have an insight.
It's bullshit...our threads are just "selfies" in words.

What I want is to be able to trust the people who will decide so that I can go back to bagging Richmond or Hawthorn or any other damn club I feel like while I watch a string of navy blue champions put another season to rest.

Problem is...Look at the track record of Carlton over the past 15 years...no wonder we take so many selfies...the picture of a club as a shambolic, decrepit, haunted mansion is @#$%&! ugly!.


Well said. Liked the selfie analogy.

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Depends upon what we and Barker are trying to achieve.

If we about development and get games into and trialling Graham, Walsh, Jaksch, Holman etc then we will struggle to win games. However, that is what I believe we should be doing.

If we keep playing the more mature players and "our best 22" at the moment then I could see us winning 2-3 games.

Depends on our priorities and what the club is asking Barker to do.

The fastest and best way to accelerate development is to be part of a winning successful competitive team.
Having blokes turning up getting their arses whipped each week develops nothing

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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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Fair enough, Dannyboy.
We will wait to see who the expert panel is... and whether Bruce M agrees with the expert panel's decision.

In the meantime - I agree with Sydney Blue.

Why shouldn't we be able to beat the Suns, Lions and Dees without Judd and Mick?
and the Tiges and Kangas are exactly the flakey types of teams we seem to show up regularly.
The Giants and Dogs have hardly been unbeatable - let alone Port.

If this was the start of the year, we'd be expecting 5 or 6 wins from 'super duper tricky micky strangelove' in the back half of the season. No reason Barker can't aim for that if he wants the gig. Mick had a disastrous 2015, but his game plan was good enough to get us mid table for two years. If Barker is a genuine up and coming senior coach then he should be able to tweak the game plan for a 40-50% winning rate with this list.

and Goltzenberg - I'd rather work for a positive ambitious boss with belief and high goals, rather than a reactive, know it all, hindsight sniper.


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 Post subject: Re: Our new coach - 2016
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The ONLY reason Barker should get the job is if we have done a thorough assessment of all the available options, compared them all, assessed the various strengths and weaknesses against where our club is headed and made some rational, considered and intelligent decisions. IF, after all of this there is an overwhelming weight of evidence that Barker is the best option to lead us out of the wilderness, and the blokes making that assessment are prepared to put their cojones on the block in an open and auditable fashion to back up that assessment, then....and only then should he be given the job. Otherwise whoever meets the criteria best should get it instead.

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Let's hope the criteria isn't...

1. must have knowledge of our mentally weak playing group
2. must be a gumby
3. must have initials JB

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moshe25 wrote:
dannyboy wrote:
Its not about yes to Barker or no. Perhaps this is the fundamental problem with sites like this. We think we know. We think we have an insight.
It's bullshit...our threads are just "selfies" in words.

What I want is to be able to trust the people who will decide so that I can go back to bagging Richmond or Hawthorn or any other damn club I feel like while I watch a string of navy blue champions put another season to rest.

Problem is...Look at the track record of Carlton over the past 15 years...no wonder we take so many selfies...the picture of a club as a shambolic, decrepit, haunted mansion is @#$%&! ugly!.

:clap: What a great post. My sentiments exactly.

Doesn't this make you the guy wanting to photoshop and filter everything because it doesn't meet your standards?

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dannyboy wrote:
Its not about yes to Barker or no. Perhaps this is the fundamental problem with sites like this. We think we know. We think we have an insight.
It's bullshit...our threads are just "selfies" in words.

What I want is to be able to trust the people who will decide so that I can go back to bagging Richmond or Hawthorn or any other damn club I feel like while I watch a string of navy blue champions put another season to rest.

Problem is...Look at the track record of Carlton over the past 15 years...no wonder we take so many selfies...the picture of a club as a shambolic, decrepit, haunted mansion is @#$%&! ugly!.


omg..
now look wot you've done DB.
we're gonna have queues of TC'ers needing counselling.
right, I'm orf to open the Worry Room.
geez!!!!!

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