I saw his eye balls. He was angry and aggressive. His outlet was the excuse of an aggressive dance directed at interstate visitors who paid good money to add to the atmosphere. Without Goodes we would have had a good AFL game, without those Carlton supporters there would have been no atmosphere. It's a weird crowd at the SCG....a lot of chit chat and not watching the game goes on, then when something does, they turn and clap.

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Verra nice.

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So what you are saying is that we should have a different set of rules for some and not others.
Thats a bit racist isn't it ???

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I bet you don't get the concept that to treat all fairly you need to cater for different people in different ways?

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Like paying AFL players more to live in Sydney, for example?

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Problem with Goodes is that he is divisive and that he used his "Australian of the year" to be divisive instead of promoting reconciliation. If you constantly promote the past and the "guilt" instead of working for how to improve the lives of the majority of indigenous people in the future you are not my cup of tea. It's as divisive as saying, if you are 1/4 indigenous you cant call yourself indigenous and access certain programs.

The key has to be an inclusive approach to these issues and I think some indigenous leaders have to get over themselves and focus how to secure education and jobs for the young ones instead for fighting for expensive funding of very small remote communities instead of using the money to get kids to school. Instead of constantly insisting on symbolic issues and constant mea culpas or a racial divide in the constitution, I would prefer a far more proactive role in fighting the alcohol and drug abuse and the domestic and sexual violence it triggers. I much rather support indigenous leaders who work hard "on the ground" to improve lives and opportunities.
Just my 2 Cents

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With living expenses the way they are. Probably yeah

All they need to do is ensure the extra is expended in the way it is meant to be

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You missed my subtle point, directed squarely at SB.

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I did miss it. I need to tune in more

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Yes i get the concept but if treat people in different ways that's discrimination / racism
As Camel said in a round about sort of way that Sydney and GWS are treated differently because of Cola and that's unfair.
but the issue there is they are under constraints and limits. With the indigenous people there are no constraints or limits they are free to live how they wish
As Abbott said Life Style choices.
The issue I see with the indigenous and this is just my point of view is that they were a race that due to their isolation was left behind the rest of the world and they have been trying to get a race to adapt to 1000's of years of change in the space of 200 odd years - How do you do it ??
Indigenous people were discriminated against and they were over run by the "White Man" but they are not the only race or nationality over history that has been taken over by someone else . It's happened before is happening today in other parts of the world . Not saying it is right what happened to them but whats done is done and they need to move on - It's not racism to ask them to adapt to a modern way of life - they think this is removing their rights - this is where the problem has always been
We think we are helping them they think we are taking them away from their way of life . But as the world moves on they need to move with it

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I noticed too the crowd sits and talks to each other rather than watch the game and barrack. I have been to the last 2 Sydney games and it is certainly different to the crowds in Melbourne. Did you happen to notice at quarter time and half time they put up the leading player stats and Carlton had Heppell and Hurley's names up?

"but the issue there is they are under constraints and limits. With the indigenous people there are no constraints or limits they are free to live how they wish" Are they - I think we might have very different concepts of that word "free" like "free" market and "free" speech "free education" and "free" from persecution...

Isn't "Free" an abstraction that ignores the reality of each person... And if so wouldn't it be good when we talk about "free" that we remember it is an abstraction? After all, who is "free"? And are some people more 'free" than others?

"But as the world moves on they need to move with it" — is that an or else statement?

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-ne ... port-warns

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This type of slight is alien in the more cultured part of the world - Walsh. Its up there with mad dogs, Englishmen and the midday sun!

I agree - good post mikkey.

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Nah mate. So that people can be equal you give them what they need. Differs from person to person, race to race

Its a concept we use all the time in education, but in education we call it differentiation.

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Great piece.

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Thats pretty deep Danny
The link you posted
Do we relax our laws so they don't end up in jail ??
Do we send the White kid to jail for stealing and allow his indigenous mate to get off with reprimand .
Do we remove them from that environment? ? (Cant do that)

There is fast becoming a time where people regardless of their color or race are going to have to be made responsible for their own actions.
A world with out laws will result in anarchy . A world that has rules for some but don't apply to others will be an even greater anarchy

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I saw his eye balls. He was angry and aggressive. His outlet was the excuse of an aggressive dance directed at interstate visitors who paid good money to add to the atmosphere. Without Goodes we would have had a good AFL game, without those Carlton supporters there would have been no atmosphere. It's a weird crowd at the SCG....a lot of chit chat and not watching the game goes on, then when something does, they turn and clap.[/quote]

And according to Matthew Lloyd on Footy Classified, Goodes admitted that he would have done a different (read less aggressive) dance had the goal come at the other end where the swans cheer squad were sitting behind the goals.................hasn't been widely reported but says it all really....

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Exactly - one thing that also struck me about Friday night at the game was that players like yaz and walker who played with flair have lost it - or had it drummed out of them.
Last night on Fox footy watched the last quarter of the Adelaide game in round ten last year that we won by 5 points and we played like a team possessed with a desire to let it rip................yarran, walker, henderson, the lot and I thought what a turnaround to this year...........thanks mick...... and adeliade were at full strength with tex, sauce, danger, Sloane etc - even eddie............
Message to JB - let em have their heads................

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When your President publicly states that he would listen to offers for your club captain, what do you expect?

When the President realises that he has stuffed up and has a special meeting with Murphy and Gibbs to clarify that they wont be traded they think the problem is fixed.

They don't realise that they have created a bigger problem because there are 40 or so other players on the list that have had no assurances and no special meeting.

It is one of the most basic but epic flower ups I have ever seen.

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