Gibbs is so soft though I can't stand to see him poodle fake around the ground. I fear he will never live up to his ability and Adelaide could have genuine interest if they are to lose Dangerfield and/or Sloane.

Geelong could look at Menzel so there could be two good options.

Henderson, Yarran and Murph (when right) would be better to build a team around in my mind.

Agree, Gibbs & Murphy are good players but there not leaders. In a good side they would be stars. Having to be the best players and targets in a side exposes there weaknesses. In big games or finals I don't believe they would stand up. Yarran a bit the same.

I'm yet to be convinced about Menzel as well. Talented but more a finisher in a good side.

It's why I would have no issue trading any of them. Not what we need to move forward and no real leadership skills.

If we had a Hodge, Selwood or a Boak it would be a different story.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/a ... 7380047902

Have a read of this and it shows why I am so angry with the recruiting and with the people who have done the contracts and list management over the past few years.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

"Liam Jones has kicked one goal in the past month — just six for the year — and was savaged for his five-possession performance against Sydney.

He isn’t going anywhere given he signed a three-year deal after being swapped for pick 46 in trade week, despite zero other suitors apart from his former club the Bulldogs."

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

"Dale Thomas was recruited on a hefty deal, only for ankle and shoulder injuries to turn the Collingwood star into a modest Carlton flanker.

His four-year deal has a trigger clause for a fifth year that Thomas himself can activate — and why wouldn’t he at $750,000 a year?

Thomas has returned early from a shoulder issue that will need post-season surgery, but his numbers this year are all career lows, including attending only seven centre bounces in his five games.

At Collingwood in 2011 he spent 78 per cent of game time in the midfield — the most for the club — but before last week he had been in one centre bounce for the season.

He might improve and with three and a-half years on a massive contract he certainly has time."

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

"This club is putting together its selection panel for a new coach who quickly will be made aware he, too, will be handcuffed by contracts and commitments.

First is the salary cap, which Blues chief executive Steven Trigg admitted was “really jammed up right now” when list manager Steve Silvagni was signed in December.

Second are the existing contracts, which on the weekend’s performances are downright scary."

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Blues chief executive Steven Trigg said on Saturday Carlton wanted to keep its stars and selectively add kids in the next four years.

“Our plans for building our list do not involve stripping the side back, and by that I mean we are keeping as much seniority as we can because we believe that to bring young men into that will give them a better opportunity to learn and develop,” he said.

“Our view is that we need to keep some core strength in our side. Very selectively we need to, over the next two to four years, use our picks wisely, and if we can find a way of improving our position with those picks that is what we will do.”

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Can't get through the links firewall, but let me have a stab that, The Carlton Board, Stephen Kernahan. Greg Swann and Andrew McKay would be a common denominator as "the people" concerned.

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"Hence you will not say that Greeks fight like heroes but that heroes fight like Greeks"?

Winston Churchill

Nice guess. Actually no one was mentioned apart from the massive job SOS has in front of him. The whole thing is a disaster though. I just not one or two decisions, its consistent bad decisions year after year.

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

So the Herald Sun confirms today that Liam Jones was given a 3 year contract.... Is this for REAL??? This is beyond madness... It appears to me that some people within the Club are deliberately trying to Destroy the Club and send it to the Dark ages!!!

Who was tbat Genuis that Gave him 3 years?? This only means that SOS will be forced to keep this useless hack for at least another year...But if Carlton has any balls, they should remove him at all Cost!!

Friggin Shocking..............

Good luck finding any public criticism of McKay's performance.

Teflon.

Everybody talks about the big problems SOS is inheriting ....
But nobody mentions who he is inheriting them from.

Must have been Icke's fault.

Who appointed McKay? No experience in such a role or anything close to it. No training. Put straight into such an important role yet his background is as a Vet. FFS

IIRC it was Ratten, can anyone confirm?

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

It's not good reading .
I see where you are coming from Psych.
We are hamstrung by contracts.
We are limited with what we can trade.

Hence why SOS and his 66 week strategy.
I think we can build from where we are.
We take 5 picks at every draft and we add 15 players to the group.
Of that 3 are 1st rounders and 3 are second rounders.

Six quality picks is not many, but trading out our young quality players means we will need many many more than 15 inclusions given our track record and the fact every club has failures from the draft.

We need more than 66 weeks to fix this list unless....

We stay bottom of ladder to give us quality at round 3 picks and give us an advantage in the PSD, where we may...attract some quality players willing to join Carlton. In order to do that we need to show some promise and that requires Kreuzer to lift us, and our young leaders to show a never say die effort. Players who others would want to play with ala Judd.

We have Murph Gibbs Thomas and Jones on long term contracts.
Begs the question. If we are after quality why trade Hendo? Just for a pick? Or Two?

We need a Hodge Selwood or even Judd type to make the place attractive.

It is going to be tough unless our players have been playing well below their potential.

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Everyone looks good in Navy Blue

the big problem is we have a few key players and contributors winding down their careers, and thanks to the blackhole in our list building over the last 5-7 years there is nobody to directly step in and replace these guys.

simpson, jamison, walker, carrots (although you could argue curnow is already there)

and that's not even touching guys like henderson, warnock, watson, murphy, gibbs etc who we expected to be a-graders (when we bought them in here) hitting their primes right now.

and don't get me started on the blackhole of recruits the 2014 supply look to be. giving up quality draft picks (7&19) for whiley, boek & *jaksch puts us further back in 2-3 years when all the other '14 draft class is hitting their straps.






*for the record, imo Jaksch needs much more time before we assess him properly. i think he could make it.

You'd hope not.

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dane's trolling again

He was involved with the MRP and the Laws of the Game committee for 4 years prior to joining us.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

I stand corrected then. Very experienced for the role in managing a list, recruitment, contracts etc

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

Oh just a 15 year career in football when it comes to understanding what a football contract is and how lists work; his admin experience comes from his admin work for the AFL.

Name some other football department managers and their prior experience to their first role in the industry.

For the record I want us to move on from McKay, but let's not shit on his CV and declare him to be a moron.

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29 different attributes,
And only 7 that you like;
20 ways to see the world,
Or 20 ways to start a fight.

15 years as a player? WOW, doing his own contract in the 90's. Seriously.

Admin work for the AFL at the MRP?

Where is there any experience making him suited for the role? Look at Hocking at Geelong, Fagan at Hawthorn, even Tom Harley spent time at GWS then the boss of AFL NSW before taking on the role at the Swans, all went and got experience before assuming such an important role.

No experience that is even close yet we put him in charge?

Question is where was the due diligence for such an important role and how would you rate him so far?

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#NewBlues beginning 25th August 2015

I'd be more concerned about the calibre of players we've acquired or lost through trades rather than the duration of contract.
Assuming Mick was keen to secure Jones and Tutt, they weren't going to change clubs without a decent commitment.
I'd suggest 3 year deals would be the minimum for players leaving a club that wanted to keep them.

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Looking forward to seeing our potential realised.