One thing that has pissed me of more than anything over the years with the way the club has been run is our trading. I was one of the few who disagreed with the Judd trade for Kennedy and picks 3 and 20 when it happened in 2007.

Anyone who thinks that this trade was the right one now is a moron. Judd shouldn't be going around one more time. As our ex moronic coach said he can't play 2 games anymore at
Etihad.
Imagine having Dangerfield and Kennedy in our side ripping up a new one with more years of promise to come. Throw in Mayne,Thompson,Greenwood,Whitecross, Collier,Selwood, Reid, Steven,Hooker,Bird,Grima and Walker who we could have got with pick 20.Armfield was part of the deal but we could have picked up anyone of the last 4 with pick 46 as well. Armfield is the interesting aspect of the deal to me because we was a matured aged player as well. No time to develop youngsters with this [REDACTED] admin.

Since 2007 here are our trades. You can troll through through the history of the last 7 drafts to see
Wwhat we missed out on
2008 the Warnock deal for pick 24 56 and 72 a total disaster
2009 McLean for pick 11. Fevola and pick 27 for Henderson and pick 12 which of course turned out to be spudrama Lucas
2010 Shaun Grigg for Andrew Collins Sam Jacobs for picks 34 and 67 both McCartney and McInnes were ordinary particularly the former and Laidler for picks 36 and 53
This was the " we must get key position players draft"
Mitchell was shit so was McCartney and Watson won't be at the club the way he is travelling in 2015.
2011 year off
2012 Russell for pick 69 which we passed on. We could have picked some diamonds in the rough here
Mullet, Evans, Gibson,Pearce,Frost, Jonas, Crisp, Spur, Marley Williams, Cunningham, Baguley,Johannisen . What a flower disaster
2013 Hampson for pick 32 pick 33 for Docherty we gave Sydney are pick 32 for 39 and
Andrejs Everitt
Giles we got with pick 39
2014 Gartlett and pick 83 for picks 61 and 79 Jaksch, Whiley and pick 19
which of course is Matured aged Boekhurst for pick 7 to gws pick 43 to Doggies for spud Jones


There you have it folks. A disaster on so many fronts.
Only 2013 is a pass mark.
Our inability to spot talent at the lower end of the draft
Picking hacks for potentially good kids because of a lack of patience
Placing too much emphasis on one aspect of the draft( key position players in 2010)
No long term plan. Everything is all over the shop. So reaction orientated .No trades after the horror of 2010
In my view last year was the worst. We have 4 spuds on our list when we could be developing 2 good kids.
The last game I went to was round 4 2012 against Essendon*. I won't be back as a member until the club gets its act together. If we go with kids in the draft this year and no more quick fixes I will buy a membership and get interested. Trade one of our overrated stars for a young kid as well. Start building our list from the ground up.

Folks in conclusion it's going to be a long road back but I am prepared for the journey. I have faith that Silvangi will do the right thing despite what our [REDACTED] board might think

So is that a no from you to getting Jake Carlisle?

I'm with you 100%...

Our family went to one game last year and none this year. I can barely sit through a Carlton game on TV and find myself getting more excited about the talent in other teams. How great have the Bulldogs been this year - showing REAL heart when we expected them to fold. Hawthorn, Freo and Sydney are breathtakingly good and class beyond everybody.

But, our recruiting drives me crazy...

The lack of logic, vision and missed opportunities have shattered the club. The ridiculous knee jerk contracts over the seasons have choked our list and created an imbalance of players being paid waaaaaaay over their value, and poorer players holding the team together.

Can you believe that Daisy is our highest paid player?? I want my money back!!

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Nice to see you back Keogh. Essentially I agree to no trading. Your list proves it. Even if it was the way forward we are crap at it and when we now have long term contracts for Jones, Thomas, Gibbs & Murphy we are somewhat restricted.

The next few years need to be about getting the best picks. We need three years of 6-8 picks each draft. Yes I know I've been banging on about this but it is the only way. The key now is to get the picks rights. Our history in the area is pathetic. Hopefully with a SOS now in charge and more changes to come this will improve. What other choice do we have.

As for the Judd deal I still believe it was right. The problem was what else did we do? Nothing, our support and recruiting around him was the worst in the league. We had some good picks but buggered them. Even last year we recruited Jones, Tutt & Dick which I still can't believe happened. IMO Judd actually papered over our real weaknesses and made us look better than we were.

I still look at St Kilda & the Bulldogs, even Brisbane. They have made the tough decisions, worn the tough times and are now starting to reap the rewards. Their members are excited and their football is great to watch. It is the ONLY way under the current AFL system. My fear is we still quite haven't taken this on board fully. When I hear Trigg announce we recuite guys like Jones to be our "core" moving forward and we will not bottom out like other clubs I get the impression we are still having a bet each way.

That is my concern with this club. They are saying some of the right things but don't want to accept reality. We need to get past we are Carlton and we get who we want. That is the past. We are a basket case. The number of poor decisions over the past decade as you listed are a joke. I am amazed more isn't made of it.

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Jones still has time.

JK took a long while to click IIRC.

24 years old, 7 years in system and not even close.

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Jacksh is the one who needs to be given time.

Jones was a mistake.

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Koperek.

I certainly respect and appreciate the time you took to write this post, Keogh. You certainly make some very valid points.

The highlighted comment, however, is absurd.

As another poster alluded to, the acquisition of Judd was a significant piece of the jigsaw puzzle which needed to be supplemented by better recruiting, trading and development. You covered the various gaffes and failures yourself.

If anything it wasn't getting Judd that was a waste of time, we wasted what he brought to the table by failing to build around him. We failed to capitalise on having one of the best players of his - or any - generation in navy blue.

Getting Judd was a massive boost for the Club on and off-field. During his time here he was at stages the best player in the competition, willing us over the line on many occasions.

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Agree. I would be interested to know who's idea and who instigated trading pick 7 for Jaksch/Whiley?

Imagine having Pick 7, 19, 28, 46 (Jones), 60 & 63 and then picking Ahern, LaVerde, Howe, Gregson, Sinclair, Smith. That is what can happen in one draft. Still specualtive but would we feel a lot better about our list and it's future then?

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Granted if we had traded and recruited better and built a team around him we.......
You see Getting Judd was a quick fix
Look at Judd and Kennedy now
Argument over
Throw in the fact we could have Kennedy, Walker, Thompson and Dangerfield in the one team now?

Well we still could have had Levarde with pick 19 and Jaksch being a key position player might work out to be a better pick than Ahern. We need to be patient with him. We just don't know until we are confident in our player development.

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Koperek.

The flaw with that Keogh is I remember Pagan trying to make Kennedy a ruckman so we probably would of stuffed him as well.

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Kennedy's best will never, ever be as good as Judd's. Comparing the two is embarrassing, frankly.

We traded Kennedy because we had to give West Coast value and protect our own reputation as a team who deals reasonably.

We had Fevola (who's best was better than Kennedy's best every day of the week) and Waite to fill key forward posts.

We acquired one of the best players of the modern era. It's not argument over at all. Judd is a legend of the game, Kennedy a good forward.

Playing fantasy football in hindsight is a dangerous game, Keogh. There are a number of other teams who didn't pick Walker, Thompson, Dangerfield et al when they had the chance. As far as I'm aware, if its Tex Walker to who you refer, wasnt he a NSW scholarship pick by the Crows?

If you've a time machine and are capable of venturing 6-7 years into the future to see what 17-year-old draft prospects become I'm not alone in saying you should lend it to the football club.

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Agree. I still can't believe we went with Boekhurst over a LaVerde, Goddard or McKenzie. My point is we could change our list and outlook very quickly by getting some picks and picking the right players for once. Look at the names we passed up over the past decade and our list could be so much different.

Add some good recruiting/development around the Judd selection and we could easily have been a top 4 side. It has been the biggest issue for us.

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Hindsight recruiting is very valuable.

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dane's trolling again

I can remember a certain TC poster just after that draft say that Hooker was never even on the radar with the Armfield pick. Those 'little' things add up over the years. You have to look everywhere; it seems Carlton didn't bother with the WAFL colts if the player missed out on the championships (for whatever reason).

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That old chestnut after all these years, dane? Where do you get your mindset from, the Prigs Handbook rule 1.01?

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What's a prig?

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Didn't the Eagles want Bower at the time? We said no and offered Kennedy instead? I'll never forget the look on Kennedy's face in the photo in the paper. Did not look impressed at the time to be traded to West Coast.

Can anyone verify the Bower scenario? I'm sure someone on here mentioned Worsfold asking for him.

I 100% agree on giving these big trades the steel toed boot up the clacker.

We just suck at them, pure and simple.

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A conformist, basically.

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