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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 8:19 pm 
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The betts deal probably cost swan his job, I reckon. Too close to mick.

The going home to family argument doesn't fly either. You can tell Betts management, no probs, we will trade you but you aren't walking.

The hiring of Trigg is a direct indication that we are sick of bing screwed by other clubs. He is a smart guy when it comes to these contracts, even a tad crooked in regards to AFL rules- but we won't get screwed with h there. He will play them


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 9:17 pm 
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chelodina wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
redback wrote:
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What about McKay? He is in charge of the football department that does contracts and approves decisions. Same with Thomas decision.


micky made all decisions in the footy department and everyone else had to make it happen one way or another
he was given everything he desired for the chance of success and micky got what he wanted until it was too late and we realised what a flog he really is unfortunately we are stuck with the aftermath

we didn't have time to build a list or wait for success unlike other clubs so we just threw away good money/decisions after bad
will we change, all talk is positive but the proof is in the pudding


Revisionist history. Docherty, Everitt, Cripps? The guy who went the long term rebuild was malthouse. The only trades that cost us draft picks was Thomas - compensation post 1st round and jones pick 46.
Do yourself a favour and write a list of all the bad trades and missed picks of the previous administration or is your arguement that Ratten didnt have any influence while Malthouse was responsible for everything? Pretty biased really



Perhaps also look at how he devalued players with currency

Laidler, garlett, Robinson.

I also place Betts and Waite in that category. We got zero for them because we mismanaged contracts around free agency. We should have had these boys signed up a year in advance or traded them. We need to have those policies in place. Hawks and pies do it well.


If you think any of those 3 would make a significant difference to our situation you are kidding yourself

Mick wanted to keep Waite. Waite left @ 32 years of age of his own accord
Garlett and Robinson betrayed the clubs culture and even supporters wanted us to draw a line in the sand. Garlett shirked contests and wouldnt tackle. Robinson disposal was shocking. Laidler is a borderline selection in a good side. The core of the issue is letting go sam jacobs, lucas/talia, watson/darling and 20 other draft picks


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 9:23 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 9:31 pm 
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kezza wrote:
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I loved Goodes's goal celebration.

A guy that's proud of his native Australian heritage and culture and not afraid to show it is pretty cool.

The hostility to him is weird, IMO.

The contention was simply the commentators claiming it was aimed at the opposition fans; Goodes claims otherwise but they were kicking to that end, that quarter and it was his first goal of the game, so everyone really should drop it.

Apparently now Goodes is saying he was stirring the opposition fans... well that was a douche move

I went up to Sydney for the game and arrived home this afternoon.
I was pleased with the effort and not disappointed.
On the Goodes "incident". I was sitting in the opposition bay to which he directed his war dance at.
He had been booed and jeered a bit during the game.
He was intimidating towards a group of Carlton supporters which consisted of many woman and children. I am sorry but him to say it was a war dance and it was meant to be intimidating towards us because it was a battle it pathetic.
We were a group of Carlton supporters and it was directed at us for a reason, not the excuse he has come up with.
He is a flog and he is jeered because of the way he plays for frees and his sookiness.
So he justifies it as being part of his heritage.
Having someone run towards me as if was going to throw something is not on, just goes to show he doesnt get it.
I am sick of the special treatment he receives. The AFL fines players for sticking up fingers, crossing the wrists and using shooting actions yet are too scared to say anything about this. To compare it to the harka is a joke as that is something done towards your opponent before a game.
I intend to contact the AFL and Sydney about but dont expect to get any response. I dont accept his apology when he was sorry if he offended those Carlton supporters, he doesnt mean it.
Another point I will bring up is the pathetic SCG scoreboard. At quarter time the stats went up and it showed the most possessions for Carlton were Heppell and Hurley. At half time our leading possessions winners were Hurley and Fletcher. What a joke.


Nice post Kezza. :thumbsup:


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 9:44 pm 
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redback wrote:
Firstly cripps was a draft not a trade and I wouldn’t be bragging about everitt either, he’s an average player
Secondly I didn’t compare ratten with micky but if you want to go down that road he has a better win/loss record against mighty mick end of story and apparently with a worse list
Mick built his list over three years and has left us in as a laughing stock in the footy world or is that hard to comprehend what his three years have done to us
You can keep on defending him and comparing him to ratten but he has been a unmitigated disaster, at least ratten took us from last to a finals side
the only thing that micky didn’t take south while with us was his and his cronies bank balances

revenue, attendances, membership, fitness, player confidence/improvement
I’ve missed a few things but you get the drift


Redback - never try to explain trading vs drafting or even other club duties to TC experts. They simple don't understand the differences between positions, let alone who would make which calls. :grin:


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 9:47 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
chelodina wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
redback wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
What about McKay? He is in charge of the football department that does contracts and approves decisions. Same with Thomas decision.


micky made all decisions in the footy department and everyone else had to make it happen one way or another
he was given everything he desired for the chance of success and micky got what he wanted until it was too late and we realised what a flog he really is unfortunately we are stuck with the aftermath

we didn't have time to build a list or wait for success unlike other clubs so we just threw away good money/decisions after bad
will we change, all talk is positive but the proof is in the pudding


Revisionist history. Docherty, Everitt, Cripps? The guy who went the long term rebuild was malthouse. The only trades that cost us draft picks was Thomas - compensation post 1st round and jones pick 46.
Do yourself a favour and write a list of all the bad trades and missed picks of the previous administration or is your arguement that Ratten didnt have any influence while Malthouse was responsible for everything? Pretty biased really



Perhaps also look at how he devalued players with currency

Laidler, garlett, Robinson.

I also place Betts and Waite in that category. We got zero for them because we mismanaged contracts around free agency. We should have had these boys signed up a year in advance or traded them. We need to have those policies in place. Hawks and pies do it well.


If you think any of those 3 would make a significant difference to our situation you are kidding yourself

Mick wanted to keep Waite. Waite left @ 32 years of age of his own accord
Garlett and Robinson betrayed the clubs culture and even supporters wanted us to draw a line in the sand. Garlett shirked contests and wouldnt tackle. Robinson disposal was shocking. Laidler is a borderline selection in a good side. The core of the issue is letting go sam jacobs, lucas/talia, watson/darling and 20 other draft picks

He dropped Waite twice last year
Didn't play Garlett
And didn't play Laidler
And in the final against Sydney when Curnow went down shifted Betts onto McVeigh he proceeded to rack up 1 million possessions
Malthouse was a disaster

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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 9:56 pm 
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I literally bled today watching Waite in the opening quarter. I had to tune out from watching the rest of the match.


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 10:04 pm 
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Yep his snap for goal that went out on the full really made me miss him.

Shame he was subbed at half time .......


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 10:05 pm 
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I literally bled today watching Waite in the opening quarter.


From which orifice?

Oh... and how'd he go in the second half?

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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 10:09 pm 
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GWS wrote:
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I literally bled today watching Waite in the opening quarter.


From which orifice?

Oh... and how'd he go in the second half?

Id take 19 disposals 9 marks and 3 goals 1 from any of our forwards at the moment.
If Casboult produced this we would be hailing him as the next Carey

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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 10:10 pm 
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GWS wrote:
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I literally bled today watching Waite in the opening quarter.


From which orifice?

Oh... and how'd he go in the second half?


:lol: What happened to the 2nd half of my post. Left it out because it didn't suit. As I said - I switched off. Couldn't watch but interesting comments by Emy above you. :razz:


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 10:13 pm 
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Sydney Blue wrote:
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I literally bled today watching Waite in the opening quarter.


From which orifice?

Oh... and how'd he go in the second half?

Id take 19 disposals 9 marks and 3 goals 1 from any of our forwards at the moment.
If Casboult produced this we would be hailing him as the next Carey


Ok - I'm confused. I know TC does that to suit arguments.
He kicked 3 goals & had 19 possies in a half of footy but got subbed??? WTF - Scott???


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 10:14 pm 
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I miss Eddie.

Don't miss Waite at all.

One of those classic "does just enough" footballers.

Considering the guy's natural advantages and talent he's an extraordinary disappointment as a footballer.

Could have been one of the greats but didn't really give a @#$%&!.

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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 10:15 pm 
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I was being sarcastic given he was useless in the second half. Would fit in well with our lot.


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 10:17 pm 
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Thanks guys. Geez it's hard in here sometimes. lol


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 10:21 pm 
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chelodina wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
redback wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
What about McKay? He is in charge of the football department that does contracts and approves decisions. Same with Thomas decision.


micky made all decisions in the footy department and everyone else had to make it happen one way or another
he was given everything he desired for the chance of success and micky got what he wanted until it was too late and we realised what a flog he really is unfortunately we are stuck with the aftermath

we didn't have time to build a list or wait for success unlike other clubs so we just threw away good money/decisions after bad
will we change, all talk is positive but the proof is in the pudding


Revisionist history. Docherty, Everitt, Cripps? The guy who went the long term rebuild was malthouse. The only trades that cost us draft picks was Thomas - compensation post 1st round and jones pick 46.
Do yourself a favour and write a list of all the bad trades and missed picks of the previous administration or is your arguement that Ratten didnt have any influence while Malthouse was responsible for everything? Pretty biased really



Perhaps also look at how he devalued players with currency

Laidler, garlett, Robinson.

I also place Betts and Waite in that category. We got zero for them because we mismanaged contracts around free agency. We should have had these boys signed up a year in advance or traded them. We need to have those policies in place. Hawks and pies do it well.


Absolutely.
Betts only one I would have kept but to lose ALL of them for zilch is appalling management

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moshe25 wrote:
redback wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
redback wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
What about McKay? He is in charge of the football department that does contracts and approves decisions. Same with Thomas decision.


micky made all decisions in the footy department and everyone else had to make it happen one way or another
he was given everything he desired for the chance of success and micky got what he wanted until it was too late and we realised what a flog he really is unfortunately we are stuck with the aftermath

we didn't have time to build a list or wait for success unlike other clubs so we just threw away good money/decisions after bad
will we change, all talk is positive but the proof is in the pudding


Plenty of bad decisions were made prior to Mick... like giving Carazzo three years



another bad decision and that happened when he went down with the shoulder I believe and then we fell apart, an overreaction I agree
i believe we were referring to recruiting
he brought everyone that he could (the flower love child, the competitive beast , the best friend fitness guru and wood, except for cloke, thank god) and at the end they added nothing and are even a detriment to the future list development and now we are stuck with the dead wood
second rate spuds (most ex Collingwood)and now we are stuck with them and their contracts

Wood died?

Don't overdo it, mate.

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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 10:31 pm 
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kennyhunter wrote:
chelodina wrote:
Michael Jezz wrote:
redback wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
What about McKay? He is in charge of the football department that does contracts and approves decisions. Same with Thomas decision.


micky made all decisions in the footy department and everyone else had to make it happen one way or another
he was given everything he desired for the chance of success and micky got what he wanted until it was too late and we realised what a flog he really is unfortunately we are stuck with the aftermath

we didn't have time to build a list or wait for success unlike other clubs so we just threw away good money/decisions after bad
will we change, all talk is positive but the proof is in the pudding


Revisionist history. Docherty, Everitt, Cripps? The guy who went the long term rebuild was malthouse. The only trades that cost us draft picks was Thomas - compensation post 1st round and jones pick 46.
Do yourself a favour and write a list of all the bad trades and missed picks of the previous administration or is your arguement that Ratten didnt have any influence while Malthouse was responsible for everything? Pretty biased really



Perhaps also look at how he devalued players with currency

Laidler, garlett, Robinson.

I also place Betts and Waite in that category. We got zero for them because we mismanaged contracts around free agency. We should have had these boys signed up a year in advance or traded them. We need to have those policies in place. Hawks and pies do it well.


Absolutely.
Betts only one I would have kept but to lose ALL of them for zilch is appalling management

Garlett is going OK as well. He is allowed or even encouraged to run riot at Melbourne and he does. Far cry from our over-structured system.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 01, 2015 9:52 pm 
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The Goodes incident getting a fair work over on Q&A tonight. Some redhead trying to claim he was being over sensitive. The panel was having none of it. One said he gets booed because of the night he called out the teenager for her racist comment.

I think the redhead was right.


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Adam please let us know from which tribe your tribal celebration dance eminates from?

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