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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 4:28 pm 
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chelodina wrote:
Goodes--- a champion of the game, a leader and role model amongst his people, a player who has used his stature in the game to get away with things that most other players couldn't get away with on the field.

That is why he is booed (in most cases).

Good luck to him. The more it is discussed, the more it happens. It is a non event



Goodsey cant dance. Thats nothing to laugh about.

I think a lot of people dont know where the booing comes from and that surprises me.
He gets booed for the same reason as Lloyd and Monfries do.
Getting closer?

It all started when he started throwing his head back and receiving those frees he was getting for the past decade. Supporters got sick of it, the media were embarrassed for him and the umpires got sick of being made to look like fools.

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Jones looked like he was playing his first ever game of AFL footy out there.


Who was behind recruiting him?

Does he really have a 3 year contract on good money?

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TruBlueBrad wrote:
Ponkstar wrote:
Jones looked like he was playing his first ever game of AFL footy out there.


Who was behind recruiting him?

Does he really have a 3 year contract on good money?

Whether it was mick or Rogers, the one that is responsible is gone at least.


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emtwenty wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Ponkstar wrote:
Jones looked like he was playing his first ever game of AFL footy out there.


Who was behind recruiting him?

Does he really have a 3 year contract on good money?

Whether it was mick or Rogers, the one that is responsible is gone at least.


What about McKay? He is in charge of the football department that does contracts and approves decisions. Same with Thomas decision.

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ThePsychologist wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Ponkstar wrote:
Jones looked like he was playing his first ever game of AFL footy out there.


Who was behind recruiting him?

Does he really have a 3 year contract on good money?

Whether it was mick or Rogers, the one that is responsible is gone at least.


What about McKay? He is in charge of the football department that does contracts and approves decisions. Same with Thomas decision.


Yep Macca is in charge of contract terms.

I was thinking more of the decision to even look at Jones in terms of footballing ability etc.


Word is Macca is gone soon anyway.


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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 6:19 pm 
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Ok, less focus on who and more on how long.

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ThePsychologist wrote:
What about McKay? He is in charge of the football department that does contracts and approves decisions. Same with Thomas decision.


micky made all decisions in the footy department and everyone else had to make it happen one way or another
he was given everything he desired for the chance of success and micky got what he wanted until it was too late and we realised what a flog he really is unfortunately we are stuck with the aftermath

we didn't have time to build a list or wait for success unlike other clubs so we just threw away good money/decisions after bad
will we change, all talk is positive but the proof is in the pudding


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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 6:55 pm 
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redback wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
What about McKay? He is in charge of the football department that does contracts and approves decisions. Same with Thomas decision.


micky made all decisions in the footy department and everyone else had to make it happen one way or another
he was given everything he desired for the chance of success and micky got what he wanted until it was too late and we realised what a flog he really is unfortunately we are stuck with the aftermath

we didn't have time to build a list or wait for success unlike other clubs so we just threw away good money/decisions after bad
will we change, all talk is positive but the proof is in the pudding


Plenty of bad decisions were made prior to Mick... like giving Carazzo three years


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emtwenty wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
emtwenty wrote:
TruBlueBrad wrote:
Ponkstar wrote:
Jones looked like he was playing his first ever game of AFL footy out there.


Who was behind recruiting him?

Does he really have a 3 year contract on good money?

Whether it was mick or Rogers, the one that is responsible is gone at least.


What about McKay? He is in charge of the football department that does contracts and approves decisions. Same with Thomas decision.


Yep Macca is in charge of contract terms.

I was thinking more of the decision to even look at Jones in terms of footballing ability etc.


Word is Macca is gone soon anyway.



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PostPosted: Sat May 30, 2015 10:40 pm 
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I was pleased to see a lift in effort, concentration & tackling. But at the same time that kind of shat me as well.

I'm as big a critic of the board the recruiting etc as anyone but the players themselves have to be accountable as well. As someone else pointed out, that's 3 coaches this group has seen off, each time dropping their heads toward the end. They're not babies. Effort should be non negotiable for professional athletes regardless of how much they hate the coach.

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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 8:31 am 
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CK95 wrote:
I'm as big a critic of the board the recruiting etc as anyone


Hey CK, someone has highjacked your account! :grin:

Sorry mate but you're probably the easiest going, most jovial and conciliatory person on TC. In fact, I don't remember you being critical of anyone, ever!
Well, maybe Dannys poetry but that doesn't count.

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ColourMan wrote:
redback wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
What about McKay? He is in charge of the football department that does contracts and approves decisions. Same with Thomas decision.


micky made all decisions in the footy department and everyone else had to make it happen one way or another
he was given everything he desired for the chance of success and micky got what he wanted until it was too late and we realised what a flog he really is unfortunately we are stuck with the aftermath

we didn't have time to build a list or wait for success unlike other clubs so we just threw away good money/decisions after bad
will we change, all talk is positive but the proof is in the pudding


Plenty of bad decisions were made prior to Mick... like giving Carazzo three years



another bad decision and that happened when he went down with the shoulder I believe and then we fell apart, an overreaction I agree
i believe we were referring to recruiting
he brought everyone that he could (the flower love child, the competitive beast , the best friend fitness guru and wood, except for cloke, thank god) and at the end they added nothing and are even a detriment to the future list development and now we are stuck with the dead wood
second rate spuds (most ex Collingwood)and now we are stuck with them and their contracts


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 10:36 am 
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Yes but away from TC I make Malthouse look like captain happypants :grin:

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redback wrote:
ColourMan wrote:
redback wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
What about McKay? He is in charge of the football department that does contracts and approves decisions. Same with Thomas decision.


micky made all decisions in the footy department and everyone else had to make it happen one way or another
he was given everything he desired for the chance of success and micky got what he wanted until it was too late and we realised what a flog he really is unfortunately we are stuck with the aftermath

we didn't have time to build a list or wait for success unlike other clubs so we just threw away good money/decisions after bad
will we change, all talk is positive but the proof is in the pudding


Plenty of bad decisions were made prior to Mick... like giving Carazzo three years



another bad decision and that happened when he went down with the shoulder I believe and then we fell apart, an overreaction I agree
i believe we were referring to recruiting
he brought everyone that he could (the flower love child, the competitive beast , the best friend fitness guru and wood, except for cloke, thank god) and at the end they added nothing and are even a detriment to the future list development and now we are stuck with the dead wood
second rate spuds (most ex Collingwood)and now we are stuck with them and their contracts

Wood died?

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redback wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
What about McKay? He is in charge of the football department that does contracts and approves decisions. Same with Thomas decision.


micky made all decisions in the footy department and everyone else had to make it happen one way or another
he was given everything he desired for the chance of success and micky got what he wanted until it was too late and we realised what a flog he really is unfortunately we are stuck with the aftermath

we didn't have time to build a list or wait for success unlike other clubs so we just threw away good money/decisions after bad
will we change, all talk is positive but the proof is in the pudding


Revisionist history. Docherty, Everitt, Cripps? The guy who went the long term rebuild was malthouse. The only trades that cost us draft picks was Thomas - compensation post 1st round and jones pick 46.
Do yourself a favour and write a list of all the bad trades and missed picks of the previous administration or is your arguement that Ratten didnt have any influence while Malthouse was responsible for everything? Pretty biased really


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Michael Jezz wrote:
redback wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
What about McKay? He is in charge of the football department that does contracts and approves decisions. Same with Thomas decision.


micky made all decisions in the footy department and everyone else had to make it happen one way or another
he was given everything he desired for the chance of success and micky got what he wanted until it was too late and we realised what a flog he really is unfortunately we are stuck with the aftermath

we didn't have time to build a list or wait for success unlike other clubs so we just threw away good money/decisions after bad
will we change, all talk is positive but the proof is in the pudding


Revisionist history. Docherty, Everitt, Cripps? The guy who went the long term rebuild was malthouse. The only trades that cost us draft picks was Thomas - compensation post 1st round and jones pick 46.
Do yourself a favour and write a list of all the bad trades and missed picks of the previous administration or is your arguement that Ratten didnt have any influence while Malthouse was responsible for everything? Pretty biased really



Firstly cripps was a draft not a trade and I wouldn’t be bragging about everitt either, he’s an average player
Secondly I didn’t compare ratten with micky but if you want to go down that road he has a better win/loss record against mighty mick end of story and apparently with a worse list
Mick built his list over three years and has left us in as a laughing stock in the footy world or is that hard to comprehend what his three years have done to us
You can keep on defending him and comparing him to ratten but he has been a unmitigated disaster, at least ratten took us from last to a finals side
the only thing that micky didn’t take south while with us was his and his cronies bank balances

revenue, attendances, membership, fitness, player confidence/improvement
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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 5:45 pm 
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Did anyone see the two Carlton supporters in the crowd after Goodes did his dance?

One is a bloke standing up giving him a Gladiator style thumbs down
The other is a woman sitting down rubbing her eyes in a crying/sooking motion

:lol:


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jimmae wrote:
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I loved Goodes's goal celebration.

A guy that's proud of his native Australian heritage and culture and not afraid to show it is pretty cool.

The hostility to him is weird, IMO.

The contention was simply the commentators claiming it was aimed at the opposition fans; Goodes claims otherwise but they were kicking to that end, that quarter and it was his first goal of the game, so everyone really should drop it.

Apparently now Goodes is saying he was stirring the opposition fans... well that was a douche move

I went up to Sydney for the game and arrived home this afternoon.
I was pleased with the effort and not disappointed.
On the Goodes "incident". I was sitting in the opposition bay to which he directed his war dance at.
He had been booed and jeered a bit during the game.
He was intimidating towards a group of Carlton supporters which consisted of many woman and children. I am sorry but him to say it was a war dance and it was meant to be intimidating towards us because it was a battle it pathetic.
We were a group of Carlton supporters and it was directed at us for a reason, not the excuse he has come up with.
He is a flog and he is jeered because of the way he plays for frees and his sookiness.
So he justifies it as being part of his heritage.
Having someone run towards me as if was going to throw something is not on, just goes to show he doesnt get it.
I am sick of the special treatment he receives. The AFL fines players for sticking up fingers, crossing the wrists and using shooting actions yet are too scared to say anything about this. To compare it to the harka is a joke as that is something done towards your opponent before a game.
I intend to contact the AFL and Sydney about but dont expect to get any response. I dont accept his apology when he was sorry if he offended those Carlton supporters, he doesnt mean it.
Another point I will bring up is the pathetic SCG scoreboard. At quarter time the stats went up and it showed the most possessions for Carlton were Heppell and Hurley. At half time our leading possessions winners were Hurley and Fletcher. What a joke.


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Michael Jezz wrote:
redback wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
What about McKay? He is in charge of the football department that does contracts and approves decisions. Same with Thomas decision.


micky made all decisions in the footy department and everyone else had to make it happen one way or another
he was given everything he desired for the chance of success and micky got what he wanted until it was too late and we realised what a flog he really is unfortunately we are stuck with the aftermath

we didn't have time to build a list or wait for success unlike other clubs so we just threw away good money/decisions after bad
will we change, all talk is positive but the proof is in the pudding


Revisionist history. Docherty, Everitt, Cripps? The guy who went the long term rebuild was malthouse. The only trades that cost us draft picks was Thomas - compensation post 1st round and jones pick 46.
Do yourself a favour and write a list of all the bad trades and missed picks of the previous administration or is your arguement that Ratten didnt have any influence while Malthouse was responsible for everything? Pretty biased really



Perhaps also look at how he devalued players with currency

Laidler, garlett, Robinson.

I also place Betts and Waite in that category. We got zero for them because we mismanaged contracts around free agency. We should have had these boys signed up a year in advance or traded them. We need to have those policies in place. Hawks and pies do it well.


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PostPosted: Sun May 31, 2015 8:18 pm 
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The club could have an open policy of automatically matching 'valuable' restricted free agent contracts from other clubs.

It would nip what happen with Betts immediately and get adelaide to trade with us instead of losing him for nothing.

Matching betts offer was a no brainer as we were going to get nothing for him because of Thomas. If adelaide knew that we would match it, they would have blinked during trade week


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