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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 4:33 pm 
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You're the cynical TC twitter account poster?!


How did you guess?

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Thought camelboy was a cover.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 4:39 pm 
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Rob Walls on Malthouse (written 30 August 2012)...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/m ... 2514j.html

Hindsight reflects well on this piece. At least inasmuch as Mick being the wrong option.

It hurts to read it: can someone send it to the current Board?


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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 4:53 pm 
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$3,000,000 / 54 games = $55,555.55 per game.


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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:01 pm 
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$3,000,000 / 54 games = $55,555.55 per game.


That's a pretty good return for 20 wins.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 5:05 pm 
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BigGartos wrote:
camelboy wrote:
Rob Walls on Malthouse (written 30 August 2012)...

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/m ... 2514j.html

Hindsight reflects well on this piece. At least inasmuch as Mick being the wrong option.

It hurts to read it: can someone send it to the current Board?


Best not.
They might get the wrong idea and sign Walls as the new coach.


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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 9:12 pm 
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so we tried to protect MM's legacy & in return how did he protect our 150 year legacy?

In fact after re-assessment l don't even have MM in the top 5 coaches of the last 40 years

1 Sheedy 2 Lethal 3 Parko 4 Jeans 5 Clarko

Sorry Mick you have not made my Top 5.

Just tell me how easy was it to coach a WA state side to 2 flags?


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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 9:41 pm 
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Walls was totally right about everything.

Considering all the injuries we had later in 2012 it's amazing we were as competitive as we were. I think we had better assistants then too who actually were able to have input, plus Ratts loved the club and put the club before himself.

Mick doesn't give a crap about anyone aside from himself.

I don't thin Ratts was brilliant but I had a bad feeling about Mick about halfway through the 2nd quarter of the first game of 2013. I saw improvements and wanted to believe at times, but it never really materialised. He never took outside opinions and any player who he didn't see eye to eye with fully was shown the door (Laidler, betts, Mitch, Jeffy, Waite, even Brock would of been handy at this stage).


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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 9:54 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
so we tried to protect MM's legacy & in return how did he protect our 150 year legacy?

In fact after re-assessment l don't even have MM in the top 5 coaches of the last 40 years

1 Sheedy 2 Lethal 3 Parko 4 Jeans 5 Clarko

Sorry Mick you have not made my Top 5.

Just tell me how easy was it to coach a WA state side to 2 flags?


How do you rate Sheedy above those other 4? Completely screwed up 1996, 1999, and 2001.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 9:56 pm 
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Walls was totally right about everything.

Considering all the injuries we had later in 2012 it's amazing we were as competitive as we were. I think we had better assistants then too who actually were able to have input, plus Ratts loved the club and put the club before himself.

Mick doesn't give a crap about anyone aside from himself.

I don't thin Ratts was brilliant but I had a bad feeling about Mick about halfway through the 2nd quarter of the first game of 2013. I saw improvements and wanted to believe at times, but it never really materialised. He never took outside opinions and any player who he didn't see eye to eye with fully was shown the door (Laidler, betts, Mitch, Jeffy, Waite, even Brock would of been handy at this stage).

That's why were the silver bullet club
Because we believe in silver bullets one thing can fix
Just as we believe one thing in this case injuried to carrazzo etc killed us..

Loll

Trippy mentality

No underlying fundamental problems?

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 9:58 pm 
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Rod Waddell wrote:
so we tried to protect MM's legacy & in return how did he protect our 150 year legacy?

In fact after re-assessment l don't even have MM in the top 5 coaches of the last 40 years

1 Sheedy 2 Lethal 3 Parko 4 Jeans 5 Clarko

Sorry Mick you have not made my Top 5.

Just tell me how easy was it to coach a WA state side to 2 flags?


Sheedy (vomit) What about Ronald Dale Barassi :?:

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 9:59 pm 
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Which basically sums us up..
As the trippers that we are encouraging the madness and the madmen in charge...
If we can only just not have injuries and get Dangerfield next year

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:04 pm 
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See how it works?
One silver bullet theory
One excuse theory

Nothing else wrong..

How logical are you?

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:34 pm 
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I don't thin Ratts was brilliant but I had a bad feeling about Mick about halfway through the 2nd quarter of the first game of 2013. I saw improvements and wanted to believe at times, but it never really materialised. He never took outside opinions and any player who he didn't see eye to eye with fully was shown the door (Laidler, betts, Mitch, Jeffy, Waite, even Brock would of been handy at this stage).


Ratts had a good attacking gameplan but couldn't manage a list to save himself.

Now we have a dedicated list manager, but no coach and no gameplan.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:37 pm 
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chubbyruss wrote:
Rod Waddell wrote:
so we tried to protect MM's legacy & in return how did he protect our 150 year legacy?

In fact after re-assessment l don't even have MM in the top 5 coaches of the last 40 years

1 Sheedy 2 Lethal 3 Parko 4 Jeans 5 Clarko

Sorry Mick you have not made my Top 5.

Just tell me how easy was it to coach a WA state side to 2 flags?


Sheedy (vomit) What about Ronald Dale Barassi :?:


I said last 40 years. If we extend to 50 he's in


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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 10:41 pm 
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We were essentially what Richmond are
Then they will be us again
But the trick is to be a formidable club with serious staying power

If ratts is a great coach we should bring him back.. Lucky nobody else touched him.
He's much better equipped noe than when he came to us

That period of ratten and sticks plus hughes the board the footy managers has destroyed us.
We didn't bridge any gaps..

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 11:03 pm 
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We've still got a long way to go....MM has caused damage on field , the board off.
For anyone who thinks he didn't have a destructive 'ill tell you what you think' attitude, I saw this little morsel in Caro's article
(It s probably been highlighted but worth repeating)
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Chris Judd and not captain Marc Murphy addressed the media, symbolising Murphy's struggle in the captaincy role and the on-field leadership void. One of the innovations Malthouse removed when he came on board was the Leading Teams program.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 11:10 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
We were essentially what Richmond are
Then they will be us again
But the trick is to be a formidable club with serious staying power

If ratts is a great coach we should bring him back.. Lucky nobody else touched him.
He's much better equipped noe than when he came to us

That period of ratten and sticks plus hughes the board the footy managers has destroyed us.
We didn't bridge any gaps..


Yes. There is so much to dislike about that era.

Sadly, and irrespective of those facts, hindsight has told us that, for Carlton aty least, Ratten > Malthouse.

Which is quite possibly a rather scary thought.

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PostPosted: Wed May 27, 2015 11:50 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
We were essentially what Richmond are
Then they will be us again
But the trick is to be a formidable club with serious staying power

If ratts is a great coach we should bring him back.. Lucky nobody else touched him.
He's much better equipped noe than when he came to us

That period of ratten and sticks plus hughes the board the footy managers has destroyed us.
We didn't bridge any gaps..


Well I don't think its a case if you hated Mick you thought Ratts was great. Its more Mick was miles worse than Ratts, who we thought was average, ad we paid him double the cash for the trouble

What happened was we got Mick the messiah in and believed everything he said and did, and gave him complete control, something the Pies were smart enough not to allow. So any good work that Ratts, Richardson, Brown etc had done was completely removed and replaced with nothing.

Board was dumb enough to believe it was a silver bullet, true. Best course of action would of been to either bolster the help around Ratts in 2012, or replace him with a coach from a proper process, who was willing to build on what had been built and see if they could take it further. Instead Mick has basically done a Mark Neeld and blown the house down and replaced it with shit.


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PostPosted: Thu May 28, 2015 1:54 pm 
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Adam Chatfield wrote:
Synbad wrote:
We were essentially what Richmond are
Then they will be us again
But the trick is to be a formidable club with serious staying power

If ratts is a great coach we should bring him back.. Lucky nobody else touched him.
He's much better equipped noe than when he came to us

That period of ratten and sticks plus hughes the board the footy managers has destroyed us.
We didn't bridge any gaps..


Well I don't think its a case if you hated Mick you thought Ratts was great. Its more Mick was miles worse than Ratts, who we thought was average, ad we paid him double the cash for the trouble

What happened was we got Mick the messiah in and believed everything he said and did, and gave him complete control, something the Pies were smart enough not to allow. So any good work that Ratts, Richardson, Brown etc had done was completely removed and replaced with nothing.

Board was dumb enough to believe it was a silver bullet, true. Best course of action would of been to either bolster the help around Ratts in 2012, or replace him with a coach from a proper process, who was willing to build on what had been built and see if they could take it further. Instead Mick has basically done a Mark Neeld and blown the house down and replaced it with shit.

Ah but I did say that Mick would stabilize the rot and the club has a crap board.
Mick wasn't capable of stabilizing the rot now will whoever takes on the role next

And I was right about the club from top to bottom...
That doesn't sound like a silver bullet...
Ratten should never have been coach in the first place just as he is still not considered head coach material ten years on with ten years experience.
Our recruiting has been crap
Our football department pathetic
Our board rubbish

I think you're pulling my thoughts on Mick I'm isolation and you know it

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