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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 10:48 pm 
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I seriously think people are abit confused.
He was headhunted to take us to finals by a club that was desperate.
They threw millions at the problem and anointed Mick as their messiah.. The man who will lead the club out of misery and underperformance. That there place the club has been for over a decade..
Mick was unsuccessful proving he is no messiah...

Now the club
“This is a board making determinations on a legend of the game because they can't handle the pressure caused by a decade of failures "

The point is none of all those people getting sacked just " walled in "
Also
There is no such thing as a " previous administration " unless that means no sticks.. Newton and traynor..

Swan had his original Pratt contract rolled over two more times

Sticks was voted president unanimously by the board.

This is a problem way before Mick came to the club.


Mick might be crap but they sought him they negotiated his contract

They let him do what he wanted...
They are responsible

He didn't just walk in

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 10:52 pm 
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SurreyBlue wrote:
Synbad - you have to be fair.
I'm not saying the board is totally innocent here, they are not. They made an appointment at the time they felt a seasoned coach will take this list where an inexperienced coach couldn't. Last roll of the dice and it failed.
But MM has flowered this up so much, it's beyond repair. Made terrible trades and lost key players without taking any responsibility.
You hire a person to do a job and you give them leverage to do it. Board hired him and need to take some blame but also all the decision made towards the playing list, game plan, fitness, etc. are MM's responsibilities. No hiding from that fact.

Mick did @#$%&! it up.. But they headhunted him.
He was retired.
They didn't place a strong support staff around him
They didn't question him
Their football operations manager want much chop to check and balance.
They faulted with recruiting
The academy for development is only a name
They rubbed shoulders with players in get rich quick schemes
They didn't create an environment of sporting excellence.

The club is totally broken and they refuse responsibility.

Laughable situation

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 10:54 pm 
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So the next coach that 'walks in' to the club cannot make assistant coaching appointments, trades, delisting's and even football hires without consulting the board?
I mean even Nannette made MM draft a player this year - according to MM....hahahaha


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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 10:54 pm 
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OR, serious questions if I may.

Is Mick the only major change the board are going to make? What else are they going to do to resurrect the club? Do they have well defined plans and strategies that they will successfully execute?

Mick is not our only issue. By any measure, on or off field, we are mediocre at best.

Very interested in how the board will address all of this.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 10:56 pm 
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
Synbad wrote:
What do you mean by " he walked in? "


I suspect he means that after being offered a role as a senior employee, that upon commencement at his place of employment, he arrived and brought an attitude which could be described the way that Surrey did.

If the statement had been made by someone other than Surrey would you have been so pedantic or are you simply scoring cheap points...........again?

You're missing the point.
Mark ran rungs around Mick did he?


So this is between mark and Mick not a respected club?

I'm not sure how mark can be running rings around Mick when the club is in hell...

Care to elaborate?

You men e the club is gone but mark is all over Mick here?

Look.. I'm not sure what it is you're trying to say but I'm sure you're confused about the situation...

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 10:57 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Ockham's Razor wrote:
Synbad wrote:
What do you mean by " he walked in? "


I suspect he means that after being offered a role as a senior employee, that upon commencement at his place of employment, he arrived and brought an attitude which could be described the way that Surrey did.

If the statement had been made by someone other than Surrey would you have been so pedantic or are you simply scoring cheap points...........again?

You're missing the point.
Mark ran rungs around Mick did he?


So this is between mark and Mick not a respected club?

I'm not sure how mark can be running rings around Mick when the club is in hell...

Care to elaborate?

You men e the club is gone but mark is all over Mick here?

Look.. I'm not sure what it is you're trying to say but I'm sure you're confused about the situation...


Ok.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 10:59 pm 
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So the next coach that 'walks in' to the club cannot make assistant coaching appointments, trades, delisting's and even football hires without consulting the board?
I mean even Nannette made MM draft a player this year - according to MM....hahahaha



Yes Nanette ran our club Surrey
.. But isn't that the point?

It used to be Elliott's daughter... Now Nanette.
McKay powerless
Gleeson couldn't do a thing...


We haven't progressed in twenty years have we?

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 11:00 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Rexy wrote:
This is out-doing the Smorgan/Pagan/Mitchell debacle. :lol:

Mick won't go away like Mitchell and they can't rehire him like Denis.
He's an all time AFL legend coach.. And mark took away all motivation for the club for 66. Games.

Mick is going to sink his teeth into mark... I feel sorry for mark now

Mick's gong to rock up to the next game looking frail and in a wheelchair..



So it's between Mick & Mark now? Not a respected club?

:smile:

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 11:01 pm 
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OR so how is this great leadership from mark?
He's running rings around Mick...

I think you're missing the point here..


Carlton ≥>>>≥>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick
What gives?

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 11:04 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
OR so how is this great leadership from mark?
He's running rings around Mick...

I think you're missing the point here..


Carlton ≥>>>≥>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mick
What gives?


Ok, thanks.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 11:04 pm 
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Ockham's Razor wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Rexy wrote:
This is out-doing the Smorgan/Pagan/Mitchell debacle. :lol:

Mick won't go away like Mitchell and they can't rehire him like Denis.
He's an all time AFL legend coach.. And mark took away all motivation for the club for 66. Games.

Mick is going to sink his teeth into mark... I feel sorry for mark now

Mick's gong to rock up to the next game looking frail and in a wheelchair..



So it's between Mick & Mark now? Not a respected club?

:smile:

You're saying that...
I said mark has lost contro of the clubl... You said he is running rings around Mick

Mick isn't the club

. the club is the club..

Mark has lost control of the club even if in your opinion he running rings around Mick..
Where he isn't.. Because that's just brought the clubs failures front and square exposing it completely.


Following?

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 11:06 pm 
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OR .. This might be to Mick about himself..
But as president mark is not president to control Mick but to make sure the club is in good standing... Sound standing
That partly includes Mick as well as everything else..




How's the club traveling?

Want to share your thoughts?

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Synbad wrote:
Ockham's Razor wrote:
Synbad wrote:
Rexy wrote:
This is out-doing the Smorgan/Pagan/Mitchell debacle. :lol:

Mick won't go away like Mitchell and they can't rehire him like Denis.
He's an all time AFL legend coach.. And mark took away all motivation for the club for 66. Games.

Mick is going to sink his teeth into mark... I feel sorry for mark now

Mick's gong to rock up to the next game looking frail and in a wheelchair..



So it's between Mick & Mark now? Not a respected club?

:smile:

You're saying that...
I said mark has lost contro of the clubl... You said he is running rings around Mick

Mick isn't the club

. the club is the club..

Mark has lost control of the club even if in your opinion he running rings around Mick..
Where he isn't.. Because that's just brought the clubs failures front and square exposing it completely.


Following?


Nah, I can't keep up with your intellect. Please slow down a little. My head is spinning with your wisdom and insights.

Please use smaller words so I can follow.

Thanks

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 11:08 pm 
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Yeah I figured..
Give us airies

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 11:09 pm 
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OR you don't want to get into debates with me if you're unprepared...

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 11:16 pm 
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Synbad wrote:
Yeah I figured..
Give us airies


Tsoker!

Funny boy.

I offer counter opinions to you and you twist them;

I offer insights which I have and you slag them;

I offer my views and you piss on them.

Why would I or anyone else bother?

You are never wrong.

You never listen, value or validate anything others say.

You are all knowing, all seeing and have the only valid view on whatever is occurring.

You are clearly insightful on many issues.

Why not put your intellect to good use and do something to affect change rather than slagging off everything via your keyboard?

Perhaps the answer is because your limitations are greater than your upside or perhaps you are just too scared to try?

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 11:27 pm 
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Don't patronise me...


I don't like unaccountable leadership.
It sets a bad example to the club.
Mark can't look anybody in the eye and demand accountability.. Because he's shown to be the opposite as have the others...
So if people can't look up to you as an example of what's expected.
And he can't look down the club as an example...
Why do these people think they can shift the dynamic when all they are doing is a continuation of everything that's been so common in our shitful days?

That's why they can't remain.
Just as Mick needs to go to give the club clear air.. So to must the board... No bigger reason than accountability..
This club needs to learn accountability

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 11:30 pm 
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There are bugger all people around the club that can look each other in the eye these days...
That's not how it used to be... And that's a pretty big reason why were in hell.
Somebody needs to tell them.

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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 11:32 pm 
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The hysteria being whipped up is ridiculous and AFL 's updates every few hours are feeding the frenzy.
Next couple of weeks will be a farce too. Pressuring and stressing everyone involved.
The board had to act , the continued poor performance is unacceptable and dragging our brand through the mud.
Let's move on with strong due process for selection of new coaching team and look forward to the brighter future. Mick is a great and legendary coach but for a many reasons was not the right fit.
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PostPosted: Mon May 25, 2015 11:38 pm 
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We're [REDACTED].
Would it be too hard to state our position and then stick to it? Be consistent in the message we send?
Rebuild
Coach is safe
Coaching position will be reviewed in the second half of the season
We may have to look at it sooner
We'll look at it in two weeks

The media are going to be relentless for the next two weeks speculating about our decision. Rather than it being open ended we've committed to a two week window. The pressure won't be off for two weeks, it'll be concentrated.

We're so [REDACTED] I'd almost rather be Essendon* right now.

Everything we've said we've then contradicted ourselves later.
Our reputation is going to be even more shot that it already is.

Someone speculated last week that Malthouse had a clause in his contract that said he couldn't be sacked mid-season. I suspect its more along the lines of there being additional payout if he is. Clearly we can't afford that, and that's the only reason he's still here.

This thing stunk after the West Coast game in round 2. As soon as we mentioned rebuilds then it was clear we knew we were [REDACTED] and we've spent the last 6 weeks dancing around it, creating diversions, deflecting, different story every week, looking a bunch of morons everytime we open our mouths.

Stop the fan engagement. Its a good idea, but we're an embarrassment everytime we say anything.

Tell him his contract won't be re-newed.
Let him decide if he wants to coach out the season.
Shut the @#$%&! up.
Take a look in the room of mirrors.
Hire someone with a clue about public relations and don't open our traps until they've approved anything we're going to say.

We're an absolute rabble at the moment. Its going to take a long, long time to get back and because our reputation is shot there won't be many people who want to join us, work with us, support us, have anything to do with us.

Supporters (members) are walking away.
Football people won't have a thing to do with us.
Sponsors will be next.

We're [REDACTED]!

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