Malthouse contract discussion: EXTENSION DENIED!

teagueyubeauty · **Joined:** Sat Oct 14, 2006 11:28 am **Posts:** 6450

Blue Vain wrote:

Thats going to happen.
When you pay out highly rated and well compensated assistant coaches, it runs the well dry. Richardson was credited with much of Ports improvement in 2012 and he has set a strong plan for the Saints. Lets not forget he was a contracted member of our coaching group.
It was Micks ego that got in the way of that relationship as well. Richardson structured Collingwoods development academy and received a lot of the credit for the improvement of their players.
That quickly signed the death knell for his tenure under Mick at the Pies. :lol:

Someone else getting the credit. God forbid.

So Malthouse invents a personal issue between Richardson and himself and the Carlton board are foolish enough to fall for it. Dollars walking out the door plus significant football IP.

So yes, we pay out Richardson and Riley, the senior coach wants the overwhelming majority of the coaching budget in his own pocket and we're left with the sheep who won't speak up.
Even Gavin Brown couldn't wait to get out the door and go somewhere he could make a meaningful contribution. I wonder why?

We had some highly rated assistant coaches and Mick didn't want them. And others didn't want to work with him.
You can't keep throwing good money away after bad. Mick is as responsible for our current coaching set up as anyone.

Synners, you need to read this again.....

Synbad · **Posted:** Sat May 23, 2015 8:50 am

Don't worry I know what BV thinks... We discuss this away from tc.
We both agree on many things and disagree on other things like this

But I also believe there is more to it than that.. I have a fair understanding on other crap around the football club.
I don't know mick personally.. I don't know if assistants like him or not..
I don't know what his motive was for taking the job.
What I do know is this club is skint! We literally live in a cardboard box

People in the football community have much sympathy for us but little respect..
I know most people on the outside of the club are shocked with where we have driven this club.
You see most were unaware how bad and poor we were.. It was all facade . there was little substance in the last free years. Certainly a total lack of integrity.. Honesty and truth to this club...
I know we have been spending in areas that stand out but haven't paid attention to detail.
I know there has been a massive amount of back slapping and high expectation with little hard work.
I know that they believe it's about individuals not teams working together with much synergy.
I know that they have deliberately closed off the club from whoever they consider outsiders because they want to get the glory when it comes.. As they believe they have been are doing all the work..
I know this club has lost touch with its supporter base and everything they do is lip service because their desperate.
I know they are now extremely worried and even they can't see the road out of the road in to hell..
Most of them privately would affirm that.
Publicly no!
I know the idea of an independent review of the football club scares the living daylights out of them because it has been put to them by myself and others I know..
I know they used to think they can fix this " we know what we have to do".. But not now..
Right now they're frightened cornered rats..
I know that with every passing day this club received the next cut from the death of a thousand cuts.
I know they don't have the answers and the answer can only lay outside of themselves.
Not only do we have no pride.. No money.. But we have no soul..
That's a mean cocktail..

But before we can begin to arrest the problem they need to understand the answer does not lie within themselves.
That if they invested many millions of their own money it isn't they that will resurrect the club.
Their money is gone.. Even they are tired of putting good money in after bad.. They just need to see it as a bad investment and move on..
The club will survive without them but won't survive with them

Synbad · **Posted:** Sat May 23, 2015 9:02 am

I know what they were thinking five years ago.
They really did believe they were about to enter this club into greatness.

The problem is they didn't tick any boxes.
They.. Them... They didn't tick any boxes.
It was purely muscle memory theory they were using.
Because we always won flags we will again.. Supporters follow
The plan was always this and still is..

Keep up whatever were doing when the wins come the crowds will flock.. When the crowds flock the money will flow.. When the money and wins come we win flags..

The devil was in the detail.. There was no detail!

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3561

verbs wrote:

I thought Pagan was bad. Would love the decrepit old fool back right now.

President of the goal post changers...VOTE 1: VERBSY

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3561

moshe25 wrote:

McGuire just asked McClure a great question. Are we blaming Mick for something that's been a malaise at your club for years?

Spot on, Eddie.

I can't wait for the new coach. The second he's appointed, I'm fine to start a Sakc <insert coach's name> thread. And then two years later, I'll come on and say "see, I was right".

This club is a flower rabble.

Damn it M25, you got in before me, so I'll add...

I can't wait for the new coach after the one who replaces MM. The second he's appointed, I'm fine to start a Sakc <insert coach's name> thread. And then two years later, I'll come on and say, "see I was right".

The club is STILL a flower rabble

camel · **Posted:** Sat May 23, 2015 9:18 am

Synbad wrote:

The attention needs to move away from players and to the board and administration

Not really. The last thing our handbags need is another excuse.

The attention needs to focus on the board, yes, but not at the expense of the players.

We need moar attention.

GET ATTENTION!

99prelim · **Joined:** Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:01 pm **Posts:** 3561

verbs wrote:

Pagan was woeful. Malthouse is positioning himself as a junior assistant to Pago.

From loving him to be back at CFC to now being called 'woeful' to then being seen as Malthouse's master

Time to call Kennards Cranes again

Those Heatley stand goal posts have now reached the Gardiner Stand. Keep going like this and you'll have VISY park in the same orientation as Etihad. How will we afford a retractable roof for training?

camel · **Posted:** Sat May 23, 2015 9:26 am

All this talk of moving goal posts. Does that mean we're finally getting regulation height posts at PP?

dannyboy · **Posted:** Sat May 23, 2015 9:48 am

"It's all MM's fault" — wanting 1 thing to stand for everything

"It's a lot of things really, including MM" — seeing relationships between things, but also seeing parts that are poor

"It's a toxic environment dooming players, (good and bad) coaches (good and bad) and supporters (rich and poor) to a miserable existence." — seeing the environment of the whole club produces the failures at each and every level of the club.

Perhaps Ratten did far better than I have ever given him credit for

Perhaps even toxic environments can have flowerings of a sort

Perhaps the changes made in the last 3 years have accelerated this club's toxicity to fatal levels

Truth is I am trying to hardly give a @#$%&!, I wish the club would just die so I could get it out of my @#$%&! system...

verbs · **Posted:** Sat May 23, 2015 9:53 am

The odds are firming for us to win one solitary game all season whilst this bloke is in charge. Tony Shaw asked Simpson why we don't have anyone playing forward. It's starting to get more attention now.

dannyboy · **Posted:** Sat May 23, 2015 10:06 am

and those in control must be happy - after all while everyone finger points at MM they can bring in the next batch of messiahs — a new coach, a new number 1 and new champion from another club... and the toxicity just gets stronger

club29 · **Posted:** Sat May 23, 2015 10:20 am

People wouldn't hear a bad word about the players at the end of 2012. All the coaches fault and mighty Mick was going to get the best out of them and all would be right. At the time i said these players had one more coach sacking in them and that Mick was an idiot doing it for the all the wrong reasons. Turned out to be exactly the case.

Mick has completely destroyed our list. We had assets at the end of 2012. A bad mix of decent players. Should have smashed up the list then and there but the new coach didn't show. Instead talked up the list. Could have been well into our rebuild by now.

The writing was on the wall very early with this one. Some dull thinking (as the malthouse play was described at the time) has put the nail in CFC's coffin.

Synbad · **Posted:** Sat May 23, 2015 10:22 am

We are where we are today..because of everything that came before today.
The question is will we say sorry to ratten and re hire him.
I'm all for it!
Are you in agreement on that one club?

kennyhunter · **Joined:** Mon Feb 28, 2005 4:35 pm **Posts:** 2432

We need to be this bad for the place to shaken up.
It's like Keating's recession.
But rock bottom probably hasn't arrived yet.
We were as embarrassing off the field as on it last night.
Talkback should be fun today.

BigBlueWave · **Joined:** Mon Sep 19, 2005 12:45 pm **Posts:** 3072

Synbad wrote:

We are where we are today..because of everything that came before today.
The question is will we say sorry to ratten and re hire him.
I'm all for it!
Are you in agreement on that one club?

The Normal One · **Joined:** Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:35 pm **Posts:** 20076

Appears Malthouse isn't on the same page as anyone:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-23/r ... medium=RSS

Braithy · **Joined:** Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:42 pm **Posts:** 6935

King Kenny wrote:

Appears Malthouse isn't on the same page as anyone:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-23/r ... medium=RSS

malthouse is just making it up as he goes along ... trying to scratch at anything which'll deflect from his inability to coach anymore.

he's well past it. everyone can see this, except of course mick himself.

robertbb · **Joined:** Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:06 pm **Posts:** 9354

kennyhunter wrote:

We need to be this bad for the place to shaken up.
It's like Keating's recession.
But rock bottom probably hasn't arrived yet.
We were as embarrassing off the field as on it last night.
Talkback should be fun today.

The maulings must continue. Fans must continue not to show up. The only thing that can save our club is things continuing exactly as they are now. The corpse needs to burn to ashes completely before the Phoenix arises. The board must fall on their own sword, and lame ones shown the door. McKay must be shown the door. Malthouse must be shown the door. SOS must hit the nail on the head in the next few draft/trade periods, and recruit just as much on leadership and competitiveness as on pure talent. This must include trading players that have real currency, but who are already too old to be involved in our next period of challenging for top 4 (i.e. anyone who will be 29 or over in four years). We must bring in a young coach with modern ideas and who has been involved with a winning culture - our own Clarkson. We must resolve not to bring in any free agents until our core group begins to take shape and shows signs (by then, we will have jettisoned our list/cap cloggers).

bluegirl72 · **Joined:** Sat May 23, 2009 8:30 pm **Posts:** 23911

99prelim wrote:

moshe25 wrote:

McGuire just asked McClure a great question. Are we blaming Mick for something that's been a malaise at your club for years?

Spot on, Eddie.

I can't wait for the new coach. The second he's appointed, I'm fine to start a Sakc <insert coach's name> thread. And then two years later, I'll come on and say "see, I was right".

This club is a flower rabble.

Damn it M25, you got in before me, so I'll add...

I can't wait for the new coach after the one who replaces MM. The second he's appointed, I'm fine to start a Sakc <insert coach's name> thread. And then two years later, I'll come on and say, "see I was right".

The club is STILL a flower rabble

there is a lot of truth in that,
but..
we did know Mick was a shite bloke before we got him
you could even stretch that to say he's just another case of our club thinking we can do better with someone other clubs have rejected.

I hope wholeheartedly that the next coach is someone I can respect, and even admire.
Someone I can fully support through exciting, rebuild times.
it's not the losing so much as the game style, repression of natural skills, and complete lack of passion he has inspired.

We knew he did that stupid boundary stuff before he came.
We knew he's say anything and blame anyone before he came!
:wink:

cimm1979 · **Posted:** Sat May 23, 2015 11:57 am

King Kenny wrote:

Appears Malthouse isn't on the same page as anyone:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-23/r ... medium=RSS

Bryce Gibbs just said the same.

No toll.

Mick eh?

What a shit bloke.

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