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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:35 am 
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jesus christ.

watson is a complete turnip. move on people.


Whilst I agree Braithy, the issue is at the moment what else do we have? Casboult, Jones, Foster, Henderson as options? We will probably play Kruezer there as well which I believe is wrong and I would have Henderson in defence.

Unfortunately, I believe we are so bad we are looking for hope in anything slightly positive. The reality is none of them are any good and it will get worse before it gets better.


These blokes get years on the list (the trend started with Bower and Austin and seems to be continuing) for zero return. Don't forget they are playing Bullants and not showing anything. Our mistake was to not cut our losses with Watson at the end of last year and bring in someone on to the list who might be a player in a few years time. Would have loved to have a Reece McKenzie or Harris Andrews on our list rather than Watson.

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:38 am 
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Dukes wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Braithy wrote:
jesus christ.

watson is a complete turnip. move on people.


Whilst I agree Braithy, the issue is at the moment what else do we have? Casboult, Jones, Foster, Henderson as options? We will probably play Kruezer there as well which I believe is wrong and I would have Henderson in defence.

Unfortunately, I believe we are so bad we are looking for hope in anything slightly positive. The reality is none of them are any good and it will get worse before it gets better.


These blokes get years on the list (the trend started with Bower and Austin and seems to be continuing) for zero return. Don't forget they are playing Bullants and not showing anything. Our mistake was to not cut our losses with Watson at the end of last year and bring in someone on to the list who might be a player in a few years time. Would have loved to have a Reece McKenzie or Harris Andrews on our list rather than Watson.


Totally agree. The other point to that is they are given 2-3 year contracts on good money when they haven't proven themselves yet, so we get locked in. If the articles about SOS's review are correct then that has been a key issue why we haven't turned these guys over.

Why are we paying 100% of TPP on this lot?

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:38 am 
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watson isn't up to it on any level. he's an embarrassment to our recruiting & development department.

develop and ride the bumps out with jones and casboult.


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 11:11 am 
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Dukes wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Braithy wrote:
jesus christ.

watson is a complete turnip. move on people.


Whilst I agree Braithy, the issue is at the moment what else do we have? Casboult, Jones, Foster, Henderson as options? We will probably play Kruezer there as well which I believe is wrong and I would have Henderson in defence.

Unfortunately, I believe we are so bad we are looking for hope in anything slightly positive. The reality is none of them are any good and it will get worse before it gets better.


These blokes get years on the list (the trend started with Bower and Austin and seems to be continuing) for zero return. Don't forget they are playing Bullants and not showing anything. Our mistake was to not cut our losses with Watson at the end of last year and bring in someone on to the list who might be a player in a few years time. Would have loved to have a Reece McKenzie or Harris Andrews on our list rather than Watson.

Bower and Austin both gave solid returns when fit.

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 11:56 am 
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Blue4ever wrote:
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watson is just not up to it, turning circle of the titanic and if ball hits ground absolutely useless


Yes I agree he is very slow once the ball hits the ground, I'm in no way comparing him to Hawkins but the Tommahawk is also very slow. Hawkins struggled early on and now he is very good, what have we got to lose? I doubt Watson has had more than 5 games in a row playing forward, just give him a go.

Same as Buckley just play him before Carrazzo at least.


fair enough, id love to be proven wrong and would love to see him clunk some marks cos 1 thing we know is he can kick well


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 1:00 pm 
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Post-season surgery priorities:
- Take Watson from the waist down and splice with Casboult from the waist up
- Take Armfield attitude and implant into the heads of any Carlton player under 200cm picked in the first round
- Take time spent on hair and convert to time spent on the track/in the gym.


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 1:34 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Dukes wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Braithy wrote:
jesus christ.

watson is a complete turnip. move on people.


Whilst I agree Braithy, the issue is at the moment what else do we have? Casboult, Jones, Foster, Henderson as options? We will probably play Kruezer there as well which I believe is wrong and I would have Henderson in defence.

Unfortunately, I believe we are so bad we are looking for hope in anything slightly positive. The reality is none of them are any good and it will get worse before it gets better.


These blokes get years on the list (the trend started with Bower and Austin and seems to be continuing) for zero return. Don't forget they are playing Bullants and not showing anything. Our mistake was to not cut our losses with Watson at the end of last year and bring in someone on to the list who might be a player in a few years time. Would have loved to have a Reece McKenzie or Harris Andrews on our list rather than Watson.

Bower and Austin both gave solid returns when fit.


If we are giving pass marks to the careers of Bower and Austin our standards are really low.

Neither of them held down key position defensive positions with any distinction. They may have racked up some games played but fair to say that when they were selected for the 1s their bad games far outweighed the good ones. I'll never forget losing the elimination final in Brisbane with Kevin Rudd cheering from the stands. Bradshaw destroyed Bower that night and was singlehandedly responsible for dragging them back from what should have been an unassailable deficit at three quarter time.

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 1:45 pm 
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Jim is smoking the real good stuff.

Bower and Austin gave good returns? Good grief.


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 1:47 pm 
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Dukes wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Dukes wrote:
ThePsychologist wrote:
Braithy wrote:
jesus christ.

watson is a complete turnip. move on people.


Whilst I agree Braithy, the issue is at the moment what else do we have? Casboult, Jones, Foster, Henderson as options? We will probably play Kruezer there as well which I believe is wrong and I would have Henderson in defence.

Unfortunately, I believe we are so bad we are looking for hope in anything slightly positive. The reality is none of them are any good and it will get worse before it gets better.


These blokes get years on the list (the trend started with Bower and Austin and seems to be continuing) for zero return. Don't forget they are playing Bullants and not showing anything. Our mistake was to not cut our losses with Watson at the end of last year and bring in someone on to the list who might be a player in a few years time. Would have loved to have a Reece McKenzie or Harris Andrews on our list rather than Watson.

Bower and Austin both gave solid returns when fit.


If we are giving pass marks to the careers of Bower and Austin our standards are really low.

Neither of them held down key position defensive positions with any distinction. They may have racked up some games played but fair to say that when they were selected for the 1s their bad games far outweighed the good ones. I'll never forget losing the elimination final in Brisbane with Kevin Rudd cheering from the stands. Bradshaw destroyed Bower that night and was singlehandedly responsible for dragging them back from what should have been an unassailable deficit at three quarter time.

Rattens coaching killed us that night.
Holding the ball up to try to contain the game.. So alien to stay put us in that position.

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 1:49 pm 
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Austin had massive injury issues, he was and remains a talented player who never got his body right.

Bower was another victim of our development, and then got struck down by repeated quad injuries just as he was becoming a reliable KPD. Other clubs took good looks at them when we moved them on.

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 2:02 pm 
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how can you be fwd in team the way ball comes or delivered


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 9:48 pm 
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jimmae wrote:
Austin had massive injury issues, he was and remains a talented player who never got his body right.

Bower was another victim of our development, and then got struck down by repeated quad injuries just as he was becoming a reliable KPD. Other clubs took good looks at them when we moved them on.


Does it ever occur to you that none of our delisted players have been picked up by other clubs
Victims of development and injury? No. The product of poor recruiting


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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:13 pm 
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Will be an interesting game hopefully, but the Cats seem a bit hungry at the moment.

it would be hard to play worse than last week.

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:25 pm 
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Michael Jezz wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Austin had massive injury issues, he was and remains a talented player who never got his body right.

Bower was another victim of our development, and then got struck down by repeated quad injuries just as he was becoming a reliable KPD. Other clubs took good looks at them when we moved them on.


Does it ever occur to you that none of our delisted players have been picked up by other clubs
Victims of development and injury? No. The product of poor recruiting

Bower had 2 years of quad injuries before we delisted him, WC and Freo took a long look at him before passing over.

Austin went to the Dogs, after being out with groin injuries virtually the whole time he was at the club.

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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 10:43 pm 
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It may get ugly in the final analysis , but I'm hoping the boys can come out and in face of adversary play some inspirational footy and surprise us all.
If the Kroouz plays he may just be that catalyst to spark that courage.
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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 11:02 pm 
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if the boys love kreuz as much as they say they do. having him out there might just be enough to spark them.

not enough to spark them to win. just enough to be competitive.


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..they love all the hard workers.. ..lets them slack off..

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Michael Jezz wrote:
jimmae wrote:
Austin had massive injury issues, he was and remains a talented player who never got his body right.

Bower was another victim of our development, and then got struck down by repeated quad injuries just as he was becoming a reliable KPD. Other clubs took good looks at them when we moved them on.


Does it ever occur to you that none of our delisted players have been picked up by other clubs
Victims of development and injury? No. The product of poor recruiting

Laidler? Lucas? Robbo? Garlett?

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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 1:21 am 
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emtwenty wrote:
if the boys love kreuz as much as they say they do. having him out there might just be enough to spark them.

not enough to spark them to win. just enough to be competitive.

The real question is if we play him, where does Wood wind up? In the VFL or rotating through the forward line? I think if Henderson and White play in defence and we find a match up there for Everitt, Wood can be rested/dropped because we'll have freed up Rowe and already have Casboult.

Then the question simply becomes if we'll play enough quick midfielders to bring some run and carry into our game style.

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