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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 2:58 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
We'll win.
White is a good in. Hard at it, young and versatile
Carazzo is getting on but is still best 22. You pick your best 22 every weekk and if one of them is 33, so be it.
Menzel has been doing OK in the twos and is in our best 22.
Watson had to come in so Jones can gey his mojo in the twos.
Dick? I wouldn't know how he's been going but maybe they want to give him a run.
Yarran is an automatic in.
Tutt? Same as Dick.

Walker injured? OK.
Buckley had to make way for Yarran no argument there.
Graham, makes way for Carazzo. No argument there as long as Carazzo is in the best 22.
Jones had to go.
Whiley probably could have stayed unless Dick was banging away.
Boekhurst ditto for Tutt.
Smith will play good footy for us but has to go for Menzel.

In short, if you bring in 7, seven have to go. I can live with it but could also have lived with Whiley and Boekhurst staying in and Dick and Tutt waiting a bit longer.

Carazzo's time is almost up. Graham or Whiley will take over his spot when the time comes. Meanwhile he plays. It's nice to have some fringe mids who are bashing the door down. It's called depth.

The issue for me isn't the selectioms so much as what are we going to do with them. Watson has good hands and is a beautiful kick but if he is going to have to run from FF to CHB every time the Giants get the pill, he'll blow up before quarter time. There s no point at all lin having no stay at home forwards. He and Menzel at least have to stay inside the F50. menzel high and Watson deep, leading at the ball carrier. But NO chest marks allowed.


Just got in, and having a look at the teams ins and outs.

Seven!

Seven in and seven out sounds right.

I agree BS...I wouldn't have dropped BB.
I would also let Whiley off the leash to see what he's got.

Who knows what MM is doing, but most important is that the players come to play.

Walker has been crap every game other than the NBs game. Knee again. 1-2 weeks?

GWS announce they WILL be top 8 this year so they need to win this to give their supporters hope.
They WILL come out to play.
I'm expecting a good show and maybe an upset if Thomas Gibbs Murphy and Judd have blinders.

We have Kreuzer Simpson (good) Walker and Hendo missing from our best. There's a bit of class which we don't have much of to afford missing. Need everything to go right for a win.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 8:37 am 
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So, I guess if I want to see the kids play I will have to turn up a couple of hours early.


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 11:52 am 
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The way Graham I being treated is a disgrace
9 games 6 as a sub
Actually has talent
What about the pass to Jones in he last
Yet a spud like white walks straight in


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 11:56 am 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
We'll win.
White is a good in. Hard at it, young and versatile
Carazzo is getting on but is still best 22. You pick your best 22 every weekk and if one of them is 33, so be it.
Menzel has been doing OK in the twos and is in our best 22.
Watson had to come in so Jones can gey his mojo in the twos.
Dick? I wouldn't know how he's been going but maybe they want to give him a run.
Yarran is an automatic in.
Tutt? Same as Dick.

Walker injured? OK.
Buckley had to make way for Yarran no argument there.
Graham, makes way for Carazzo. No argument there as long as Carazzo is in the best 22.
Jones had to go.
Whiley probably could have stayed unless Dick was banging away.
Boekhurst ditto for Tutt.
Smith will play good footy for us but has to go for Menzel.

In short, if you bring in 7, seven have to go. I can live with it but could also have lived with Whiley and Boekhurst staying in and Dick and Tutt waiting a bit longer.

Carazzo's time is almost up. Graham or Whiley will take over his spot when the time comes. Meanwhile he plays. It's nice to have some fringe mids who are bashing the door down. It's called depth.

The issue for me isn't the selectioms so much as what are we going to do with them. Watson has good hands and is a beautiful kick but if he is going to have to run from FF to CHB every time the Giants get the pill, he'll blow up before quarter time. There s no point at all lin having no stay at home forwards. He and Menzel at least have to stay inside the F50. menzel high and Watson deep, leading at the ball carrier. But NO chest marks allowed.


You could charge the club $20K a week for this. Better value than we're currently getting.


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 12:02 pm 
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Blue Sombrero wrote:
We'll win.
White is a good in. Hard at it, young and versatile
Carazzo is getting on but is still best 22. You pick your best 22 every weekk and if one of them is 33, so be it.
Menzel has been doing OK in the twos and is in our best 22.
Watson had to come in so Jones can gey his mojo in the twos.
Dick? I wouldn't know how he's been going but maybe they want to give him a run.
Yarran is an automatic in.
Tutt? Same as Dick.

Walker injured? OK.
Buckley had to make way for Yarran no argument there.
Graham, makes way for Carazzo. No argument there as long as Carazzo is in the best 22.
Jones had to go.
Whiley probably could have stayed unless Dick was banging away.
Boekhurst ditto for Tutt.
Smith will play good footy for us but has to go for Menzel.

In short, if you bring in 7, seven have to go. I can live with it but could also have lived with Whiley and Boekhurst staying in and Dick and Tutt waiting a bit longer.

Carazzo's time is almost up. Graham or Whiley will take over his spot when the time comes. Meanwhile he plays. It's nice to have some fringe mids who are bashing the door down. It's called depth.

The issue for me isn't the selectioms so much as what are we going to do with them. Watson has good hands and is a beautiful kick but if he is going to have to run from FF to CHB every time the Giants get the pill, he'll blow up before quarter time. There s no point at all lin having no stay at home forwards. He and Menzel at least have to stay inside the F50. menzel high and Watson deep, leading at the ball carrier. But NO chest marks allowed.


good to see the Mexican sun hasn't affected your mental arithmetic

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 12:20 pm 
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Stone Free wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
We'll win.
White is a good in. Hard at it, young and versatile
Carazzo is getting on but is still best 22. You pick your best 22 every weekk and if one of them is 33, so be it.
Menzel has been doing OK in the twos and is in our best 22.
Watson had to come in so Jones can gey his mojo in the twos.
Dick? I wouldn't know how he's been going but maybe they want to give him a run.
Yarran is an automatic in.
Tutt? Same as Dick.

Walker injured? OK.
Buckley had to make way for Yarran no argument there.
Graham, makes way for Carazzo. No argument there as long as Carazzo is in the best 22.
Jones had to go.
Whiley probably could have stayed unless Dick was banging away.
Boekhurst ditto for Tutt.
Smith will play good footy for us but has to go for Menzel.

In short, if you bring in 7, seven have to go. I can live with it but could also have lived with Whiley and Boekhurst staying in and Dick and Tutt waiting a bit longer.

Carazzo's time is almost up. Graham or Whiley will take over his spot when the time comes. Meanwhile he plays. It's nice to have some fringe mids who are bashing the door down. It's called depth.

The issue for me isn't the selectioms so much as what are we going to do with them. Watson has good hands and is a beautiful kick but if he is going to have to run from FF to CHB every time the Giants get the pill, he'll blow up before quarter time. There s no point at all lin having no stay at home forwards. He and Menzel at least have to stay inside the F50. menzel high and Watson deep, leading at the ball carrier. But NO chest marks allowed.


You could charge the club $20K a week for this. Better value than we're currently getting.


What happens when Menzel and Watson's men push up into GWS attack, outnumbering us because Menzel and Watson have stayed back, and thus preventing us clearing the ball out of defense?


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 12:23 pm 
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don't worry they'll both
be playing as taggers anyway.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 12:39 pm 
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emtwenty wrote:
billc3 wrote:
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Exhibit A of Mick being past it - Whiley is played as a ball magnet in VFL and dominates a few games. Comes into the AFL team and is played on Pendles and then Beams. Just stupid.

em , weren't you saying you know for a fact that the NBs game plan is the same as Carlton?
If we then get the players to play different roles then that's even MORE stupid... Although I think that's probably happening also.
As interested as I am to watch the NBs and compare/contrast with Carlton, I can't bear to watch the tripe (players, plan, selections, AND especially the lack of coaching) that is Carlton at the moment.
I'll see what others say.... at best.

Sad thing is I rarely would get too critical about these things, just used to enjoy the footy with my kids... BUT these decisions are so bad both before and during game day that you can't miss it.


game plan yes. didn't mean players.

I get it em , but on that logic Tutt comes in after blitzing in the NBs but plays ruck... coz we need a ruck...
Game plan, players.,development are all inherently linked

All I can see is madness

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 1:05 pm 
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All I see is madness too.

The plan is for the NBs to implement mick's game plan. Whether that is actually happening or if there are conflicts or misunderstandings is another issue.


16 weeks until some of the madness is gone.


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 1:29 pm 
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verbs wrote:
Stone Free wrote:
Blue Sombrero wrote:
We'll win.
White is a good in. Hard at it, young and versatile
Carazzo is getting on but is still best 22. You pick your best 22 every weekk and if one of them is 33, so be it.
Menzel has been doing OK in the twos and is in our best 22.
Watson had to come in so Jones can gey his mojo in the twos.
Dick? I wouldn't know how he's been going but maybe they want to give him a run.
Yarran is an automatic in.
Tutt? Same as Dick.

Walker injured? OK.
Buckley had to make way for Yarran no argument there.
Graham, makes way for Carazzo. No argument there as long as Carazzo is in the best 22.
Jones had to go.
Whiley probably could have stayed unless Dick was banging away.
Boekhurst ditto for Tutt.
Smith will play good footy for us but has to go for Menzel.

In short, if you bring in 7, seven have to go. I can live with it but could also have lived with Whiley and Boekhurst staying in and Dick and Tutt waiting a bit longer.

Carazzo's time is almost up. Graham or Whiley will take over his spot when the time comes. Meanwhile he plays. It's nice to have some fringe mids who are bashing the door down. It's called depth.

The issue for me isn't the selectioms so much as what are we going to do with them. Watson has good hands and is a beautiful kick but if he is going to have to run from FF to CHB every time the Giants get the pill, he'll blow up before quarter time. There s no point at all lin having no stay at home forwards. He and Menzel at least have to stay inside the F50. menzel high and Watson deep, leading at the ball carrier. But NO chest marks allowed.


You could charge the club $20K a week for this. Better value than we're currently getting.


What happens when Menzel and Watson's men push up into GWS attack, outnumbering us because Menzel and Watson have stayed back, and thus preventing us clearing the ball out of defense?


Back to the old days when the press first sprung up and no one knew how to deal with it. 6 defenders trying to move the ball out of defence against 15 opposition players strategically placed to stop that happening.


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 1:33 pm 
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Heavs wrote:
@#$%&! you graham you piece of shit. If you cant win us a game with your fresh legs in 18 minutes then go and kick the dew off the grass. Earn your spot rookie.


Love the sarcasm ........ Just on a further note ...... I've never seen one of green vested guys look so keen as him last week. He was running up and down that boundary line itching to get on the ground. You've gotta feel sorry for him.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 1:51 pm 
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anyone seen the cfc facebook page? apparently they thought it'd be a great idea to auction off tickets to be present in the rooms while the guys prepare to play the giants.


people left, right and centre ripping them, about how they should be handing them out to lucky members for free for putting up with the steaming pile of crap they serve up each week. others there ripping them about all they care about is money and making it.

people talking about how this is the last straw, & defecting to other clubs etc ...

all fair points, and about time really. carlton just don't get it.


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 1:56 pm 
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BB basically is only fit enough to play sub this year. He should be played as sub every week. Not fit enough and had a 3 week run.
Smith- we all know he is not ready. He has had more game time than could have been expected
Whiley- Didn't play well 7 possies is 7 possies
Buckley and Graham should have been persisted with. Bucks didn't have a great one
I totally support playing tutt and dick - we need to find out if they are up to it

The crucial thing for me is to find out whether the second and third year players are good enough. Tutt, Dick, Buckley and Ghraham are the players that need extended runs. It should have been 5 in 5 out. Bucks and Graham in for Carazzo and White. I would partially sacrifice best 22 for development and finding out who is up to AFL standard.


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 2:27 pm 
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Don't agree Jezz. Buckley & especially Graham needed a good 4 if not 6 weeks. You cannot do what we are currently doing with these kids.
Buckley has shown he can play well at this level, yet is obviously out of favour and paying the price.
Tutt & Dick can get an opportunity later on the year and also be allowed to play successive games. They haven't been allowed to settle in at all either. Funny how others are allowed such luxuries!!!


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 2:38 pm 
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Spot on I reckon Jezz.
It's still important so try and win games, no point in playing all the younger guys if they are just going to get smashed weekly.
BB, smith and whiley are clearly not fit enough so after a few games in the reserves i'd bring them back in for an extended run instead of having them in getting smashed weekly.
Will be very interesting to see how Menzel and Tutt go.


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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 2:43 pm 
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Ctrain wrote:
Spot on I reckon Jezz.
It's still important so try and win games, no point in playing all the younger guys if they are just going to get smashed weekly.
BB, smith and whiley are clearly not fit enough so after a few games in the reserves i'd bring them back in for an extended run instead of having them in getting smashed weekly.
Will be very interesting to see how Menzel and Tutt go.


as opposed to development, Why?

What is real difference between a 2 win season and a 4 win season?

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 2:52 pm 
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So as a supporter your going to actively support losses and actually be upset when we win?

Fair enough in the last 6 games of the season but there is still another 16 to go.


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ThePsychologist wrote:
What is real difference between a 2 win season and a 4 win season?


2 wins.

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PostPosted: Fri May 15, 2015 2:55 pm 
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Ctrain wrote:
So as a supporter your going to actively support losses and actually be upset when we win?

Fair enough in the last 6 games of the season but there is still another 16 to go.


No but I want to see the future and unfortunately going back to the usual suspects may win us another few games but it doesn't help us in the long run. Once again we are worried about today instead of planning for the future.

We won't make finals so why aren't we fast tracking or assessing properly what young talent we have?

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Braithy wrote:
anyone seen the cfc facebook page? apparently they thought it'd be a great idea to auction off tickets to be present in the rooms while the guys prepare to play the giants.


people left, right and centre ripping them, about how they should be handing them out to lucky members for free for putting up with the steaming pile of crap they serve up each week. others there ripping them about all they care about is money and making it.

people talking about how this is the last straw, & defecting to other clubs etc ...

all fair points, and about time really. carlton just don't get it.


nor does jones apparently, according to mick...........Jones makes way on the back of six goals in as many games, with the coach conceding that Jones was yet to grasp how the Blues' forward line is supposed to operate. Today's Age.

does anyone on TC know how the forward line is supposed to operate - buggered if any of the players know..........

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