to sack the coach now would confirm how terrible we are

stick to the original plan of making a decision later in the year

do so after conducting a proper process of appointing a coach (independent review of the whole club would be better)

otherwise start referring to Carlton as Richmond

Carlton as Richmond minus twenty five thousand members

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Agree with this.

Similar to O'Rourke. People on this site were dirty that the Hawks could pinch him for Pick #19, and Aish has shown
a lot more so far, including 2 SANFL flags by age 17.

Collingwood were into him in a big way prior to the draft, but ended up settling on Schranberg. No doubt they, through Pickering, have kept in close contact.

Would obviously prefer Shiel or Treloar, but asking price 're picks/players is approaching farm selling proportions.

Buy low, sell high etc....

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But we are terrible? I just think we are wasting time. Whether MM is the right coach going forward I don't know but given our position our goal for the rest of the year should be developing our kids. Unfortunately whilst MM still thinks he needs wins to save his job, and now the Pres says it's about wins , they will keep playing the senior players. IMO that is just more wasting of time. And they wonder why membership is down?

Look at the WB & St Kilda. Made the hard decisions, took some pain and now the benefits are starting to show and so are their membership numbers. As they improve so will this as well as sponsorship. There is a sense of excitment. What are we doing? We have a worse list than both of them, it's older with less talented kids coming through yet we are focussed on winning next week. Will we ever learn?

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I don't think Mick thinks anything to save his job.
He's rebuilt teams before...

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Looking at our assets, our upcoming funds with carrots, judd etc being free'd up and the FA list for this offseason.

we could turn things around in a hurry in a season or two.

a key forward like jack, or a key defender like hooker or brown from the pies or the one from the eagles.

i'm still convinced we don't need the full 3+ year rebuild, we have some handy kids coming through, if we add to that by way of not taking away from our key first & second round picks, we could reload, rather than rebuild.


http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-05-13/whos-up-for-grabs-the-preliminary-list-of-2016-free-agents-

Doesn't it depend what we'd have to give up and what we finally do with our selections? Whether Aish chooses Collingwood and how they manage the trade is beyond our control and has nothing to do with whether we 'miss out' or not.

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OK, rather than agreeing that we should be disappointed I'll change it to "If a club was to pick him up for a late first rounder, or early second rounder then they've done very well if you compare it to the O'Rourke deal".

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Can't agree here sorry.

We are not just rebuilding our nucleus of quality players but our depth players as well.

There's no free agency quick fix for that.

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yeah no doubt... you're probably right.

but, and it's a pretty big but, i admit ... but, if a new coach and staff were to come in here and get another 20-25% out of some of our under-performing players, instil some belief with a modern gameplan they can all buy into, our depth could suddenly be not so bad.

as a club you can't rebuild entirely through the draft, because at some point – if you're drafting & development all pan out – they all need to be paid at pretty much the same time. and as gws are finding out, you can't keep everyone you like.

it'll be interesting to see a few players come back from injury over the next coupla weeks, let the kids develop at the ANTs and strike up some confidence there and then see where our list is at at the midpoint of the season.

A healthy kruezer – prime ruck and rotating forward role, add the irish lads and if some of the current kids develop, it changes the complexion of what we need dramatically. possibly?

our offseason plan could be: put henderson in the backline (CHB where he's a 8 or 9), chase a key forward to play our number 1 and pick up some outside running mids in free agency with judds & carrazzo's money, keep our draft picks which will be high, and imo that could make a case for a reload, rather than rebuild.

at the moment the coaching and a lack of a competitive gameplan is killing us. it's hard to tell what we have with a vacant forward line giving our mids nothing to run into or kick at except for bombing it long and crossing their fingers. it's not really football we're playing right now which is clouding everything.

@ Braithy. I agree that there is a base to work with but it's small and lacking genuine A grade talent and going to the draft for the next 3 years is still the right way. Also, we are so far behind clubs like St Kilda & the Bulldogs as well as GWS & GC that we need to build quality and depth at the same time.

The next three years need to be about picks and somehow we need early picks and we have to get most of them right. There is no other way. Over the next 3 years we could bring in 20-25 new kids and even if 75% were good players it's still not enough. At the moment the only genuine looking future stars we have are Cripps & Docherty. There are question marks over everyone else.

We then we are start looking at stars via free agency that fill a need or top us off. With a bunch of kids we will have salary cap room and can front end contracts. Please no more of the Jones, Tutt, Dick selections. Who was responsible for them anyway???

It needs to start now as we are so far behind it's not funny. Age wise our list should be finals threat yet we are near the bottom. We need to assess our kids by playing them and work out which senior players are worth keeping to help and which are worth trading.

1-2 of Gibbs, Murphy, Henderson (Gone), Yarran, Kruezer, Menzel need to be traded for picks inside top 25. This is about the club and not individuals.

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I find it incredibly difficult to believe the club wants to trade Hendo.

Bloody hell.

Me too.

But of that short list Psych puts forward he's the only one who could leave as a FA and we get a pick.
If we trade him he has to agree to that.

I'm like Braithy. I don't think we are at the beginning of a rebuild. We have been doing that for 2 years now.

We just need to continue this path and hope we pick up 3 good kids in each of the next 3 drafts, hope our kids develop ( and they will), and we get a couple FAs on board....and we keep our class players like Hendo.

A modern game plan and players playing well and implementing a good game plan should make a lot of difference....just as if Casboult and Jones had kicked straight would have changed results.

There's a lot to our current situation. Turnovers and half hearted commitment have killed us this year.

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Why are everyone so confident that we are trading Hendo? Granted he looks unhappy at the moment, but we can't be that stupid in taking our only KPP. It will set us back even further.

Psych, what would we get for any of them? Late first rounder. How many late first rounders will be as good as any of these guys. Gibbs and Murphy are not what we hoped but are 250 game good but not great players. Hendo cd be an AA chb, Yarran has elite silky talent and cd become a gun midfielder. Big K we wd get little for and we are better off hoping he can get over his injuries. His grunt is something we need, and Menzel has been in the place five minutes. We would be lucky to get a late 2nd rounder for him. Have a look at any draft, how many of them become 100 gamers, how many become A graders.

We could unload 6 of our more talented players and and up with 6 Beau Dowlers, or Kane Lucas', or Scott Gumbletons or Richard Tamblings.

We need to be really smart with the draft and get a coaching group who are capable of getting players to play to their optimum. And a firesale just undermines the value of our team. And unloading our sparse talent does nothing to encourage any sort of team loyalty

With free agency teams don't need to pay optimum to get players in, there will be comparable free agents they can get without losing a draft pick.

And when was the last time we got a player trade right?

I understand you doubts given our history but it's the only way. We need good draft picks and we have to get them right. People get to attached to individual players. I doubt any of the players I suggested will be in our next Premiership side so in the end I don't really care. I'm sick of this mediocrity. Personally I think a lot of people on here vastly overrate our players. We are an average side becuase we have a group of very average players.

We need 6-8 picks a year and we need to get most right. I believe that is what SOS will be doing. The positive is that we don't have Hughes or Rodgers anymore. They really had no idea how to build a list, let alone select the right players.

We need hope and a vision of the future. Look at last year for example, I know it's hindsight but would we feel better about our list if we had selected more like the following?

19 - LaVerde, Goddard or D.McKenzie
28 - Touk Miller or Lamb
46 - (Jones) Gregson, Daniel or McDonald
60 - Andrews or Cavka
63, Pre Season (Tutt) and rookie drafts - Sinclair, Van den Berg, Reilly O'Brien (young Ruck), Adam Saad

and that's just one year?

We need to be introducing 6-8 of these a year. After 3 years we can go to free agency to fill holes and add some elite talent. We will also have the salary cap room.

It's nowhere near a perfect system but it's the one we need to work with.

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I don't believe that to be true. My understanding is he is actively looking for other options so the club are resigned to having to trade him. In fairness I think he's overrated anyway. Good player not great.

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We have 7 players in the side that Carlton have drafted from the U/18 talent system playing against GWS. Yes 7 that is it from generally the place you find your AA and A Graders. The rest are from trades, state leagues, and an Irish recruit. And people still wonder why the club is in this mess........
What an absolute joke and disgrace that the Club, Malthouse and the supporters have let this happen.

I wish there was a brother- player rule in afl.


charlie curnow looks like a beast and plays like one too. he'd be handy.

Does he look like Ed? Maybe we could get him to withdraw from the draft, send Ed to a Tibetan monastery ona ten year silent retreat, and play Charlie as Ed, just tell everyone he has had the biggest preseason ever and been working hard on his skills.